[2015 RWC] Final: New Zealand vs. Australia (31/10/2015)

[nik]

What about AAC try in the weekend where his mate Drew set it up with a beautiful run?

 

[CaliRa1]

Coles tops Moore
Sio tops Franks
Kepu tops Moody
Retallick (Although a bit banged up) slightly edges Mumm ATM
Whitelock and Simmons playing at similar level with similar skill set
Kaino and Fardy playing at similar level
McCaw and Pocock playing at similar level
Hooper tops Read this year
A Smith tops every other Halfback
Carter and Foley playing at a similar level
B Smith slightly edges Folau (Also a bit banged up) ATM
Savea and AAC playing at similar level
NMS and Mitchell playing at similar level
Nonu slightly edges Giteau ATM
C Smith slightly edges Kuridrani ATM

 

[smartcooky]

What did you fella's make of this :lol:
http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/mind-g...all-blacks-2015102818?ref=video#axzz3pqFLp6jm
For me this just gives it away. . . . . . .they're scared

Woodward tried that with the B&I Lions in 2005.

Remember how well that worked for him?

 

[RoosTah]

Woodward tried that with the B&I Lions in 2005.

Remember how well that worked for him?

He did indeed, but that wasn't the first time he tried it. He also used it for England's 2002 tour of NZ where they beat the ABs in both tests.

 

[CaliRa1]

Are both Francois Louw and Schalk Burger openside flankers?
I know their style of play is not the same as Pocock and Hooper but they are both opensides correct?
and the RC against South Africa they fielded 3 players regarded as open side flankers Brussow Louw Burger

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I think ABs will kick to the corner if slippery again and try to put pressure on Oz line-out which hasn't been very consistent of late
Oz to kill the ball at the breakdown, cause a lot of turnover ball.

 

[smartcooky]

He did indeed, but that wasn't the first time he tried it. He also used it for England's 2002 tour of NZ where they beat the ABs in both tests.

Not sure what you are thinking of here. England didn't tour NZ in 2002 - NZ went to England with a scracth side missing a good many players and lost to England at Twickenham 28-31 (but outscored them 4 tries to 3).

England did tour in 2003, but they only played one match against NZ.

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[RugbyTackle91]

Not sure what you are thinking of here. England didn't tour NZ in 2002 - NZ went to England with a scracth side missing a good many players and lost to England at Twickenham 28-31 (but outscored them 4 tries to 3).

England did tour in 2003, but they only played one match against NZ.

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What was the need to include the excuses as to why you lost? The guy just mentioned a time when England toured and beat the AB's

 

[chikwa chibwe]

Coles tops Moore
Sio tops Franks
Kepu tops Moody
Retallick (Although a bit banged up) slightly edges Mumm ATM
Whitelock and Simmons playing at similar level with similar skill set
Kaino and Fardy playing at similar level
McCaw and Pocock playing at similar level
Hooper tops Read this year
A Smith tops every other Halfback
Carter and Foley playing at a similar level
B Smith slightly edges Folau (Also a bit banged up) ATM
Savea and AAC playing at similar level
NMS and Mitchell playing at similar level
Nonu slightly edges Giteau ATM
C Smith slightly edges Kuridrani ATM

Not sure if I agree with every point on this man on man analysis . It is an interesting way of analyzing the strengths of the teams and going forward on making judgement on who wins . The scrum should be even if the AB's are focused at scrum. Their tactic has been to hook the ball out as soon as possible but it hasn't always worked and they have been caught out on the second shove. I don't agree with Graham Henry that AB's are missing Tony Woodcock!!!AB's should marginally edge the lineouts . The Aussies will win the battle of the breakdown . How the all blacks react to this tactically will determine who wins the game . The back lines are evenly matched with perhaps the all blacks have a slight edge. I have seen Pokock making steals or being sufficiently disruptive when only centres and wings are involved in the tackle . He has great anticipation , strength and fitness. Jerome Kaino & Keiran Read will have to up their performance levels . This is a more difficult game tactically for hansen than against the brutal boks ! All blacks to win by 10!

 

[Kiwi_]

A study in NZ suggests some Kiwis may be secretly cheering for the Wallabies this weekend:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2015/news/article.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=11535904

@sanzar

There's a large amount of New Zealanders who can't stand rugby or the culture. Academics and the consecrative/religious don't embrace it, it's more businessmen, tradies, rural and average joes/working class.

 

[james5000]

This Aussie team is definitely a very good team, they have many world class players and they are peaking at the right time.

I just can't see them beating us and I do feel like we would have to play below ourselves and they will have to be immense for them to beat us. This may seem like arrogance/ignorance to some but look at the last 4 years and try to come to a different conclusion. One off games anything can happen but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be pretty sizeable favourites.

This team has learned to win the tight games and even given decent deficits has found ways to win. We have such a strong squad considering all the bench players are so competitive with the starters, and that is our biggest advantage over the Aussies (as well as being one of the most experienced teams ever).

I have to say I'm picturing (praying for), a DC masterclass and a 22 point lead at the 65 minute mark, I't will be too hard to watch if the scores are neck and neck with a few minutes remaining (especially if we're behind.


Just a couple of fun facts:

Aussie is the only team that has a winning record against us at World Cups. They are also the only team that has a better for/against vs us at world cups I think its +8. We have to win by 9+ to claim any parity in those stakes.

The only teams that have beaten us at world cups are Aussie, South Africa and France. If we win we would have knocked those teams out in the last two world cups that we have faced them in play offs.
Aussie and France 2011/2015, South Africa 2003/2015

Obviously if we lose it will take a long long time to catch up, so from a stats pov we need a victory

 

[RonnieRhino]

I think it will be a close game but I think the ABs will edge it by 3 points at least. Both teams have been dominate in the WC but I wouldn't be surprised if Australia to take the win as well.

 

[sigesige00]

Why no All Blacks player wear scrum-cap?

 

[Larksea]

I think there are two possible scenarios for this game.

1, close game either team could win
2, All Blacks too strong and win by 10+

The Wallabies are going to have to start strong. I dont think they can afford to let us get an edge early or even get parity. They will start strong, put huge amounts of pressure on and push for points. I also think they will test our right wing early and often. But Im pretty sure that we will have that covered. Skudder will have been training that stuff all week and Ben Smith will be keeping an eye on things.

As ive said many times the key for the AB's is to smash the Aussie forwards early and often. Aussies will miss having a big ball runner like Palu or Skelton. Our forwards wont let the aussie forward runners get anywhere near the advantage line and it will force the backs to use static ball or kick....

We gonna attack the lineout big time. Retalick, Whitelock & Read right now may very well be the best lineout NZ has ever had. The way we disrupted and stole springbok & french ball will surely be scaring the pants off the wallabies. They will have had to spend a fair bit of time figuring out what they are going to do at lineout time this week.

We need to pressure the Aussies that are carrying injuries. Sio, Gitau, Folau, Pocock aren't a hundy. Test Sio at scrums, get Nonu & Savea running at Gitau & Pocock, tackle Falau hard and he will probably take time to get up.

But what it all boils down to is Smash over the advantage line and smash them before the advantage line pretect the ball and the rest of the game will take care of itself.

I am kinda interested to know how Aussies see their team beating the AB's what tactics they can use?

 

[Kiwi_]

I think there are two possible scenarios for this game.

1, close game either team could win
2, All Blacks too strong and win by 10+

The Wallabies are going to have to start strong. I dont think they can afford to let us get an edge early or even get parity. They will start strong, put huge amounts of pressure on and push for points. I also think they will test our right wing early and often. But Im pretty sure that we will have that covered. Skudder will have been training that stuff all week and Ben Smith will be keeping an eye on things.

As ive said many times the key for the AB's is to smash the Aussie forwards early and often. Aussies will miss having a big ball runner like Palu or Skelton. Our forwards wont let the aussie forward runners get anywhere near the advantage line and it will force the backs to use static ball or kick....

We gonna attack the lineout big time. Retalick, Whitelock & Read right now may very well be the best lineout NZ has ever had. The way we disrupted and stole springbok & french ball will surely be scaring the pants off the wallabies. They will have had to spend a fair bit of time figuring out what they are going to do at lineout time this week.

We need to pressure the Aussies that are carrying injuries. Sio, Gitau, Folau, Pocock aren't a hundy. Test Sio at scrums, get Nonu & Savea running at Gitau & Pocock, tackle Falau hard and he will probably take time to get up.

But what it all boils down to is Smash over the advantage line and smash them before the advantage line pretect the ball and the rest of the game will take care of itself.

I am kinda interested to know how Aussies see their team beating the AB's what tactics they can use?

Who would of thought, one team could win or the other!! I never knew


I think a large part of Australia's hope is resting on us playing as poorly as we did in Sydney. Missing tackles, knocking it on, kicking possession away poorly.. which is possible given the form of Mr Read and Dans tactics in the 1st half this week.

If we let them in by doing this and they keep getting turn overs as well, the pressure will heavily be on us and I can only see us conceding penalties, getting carded and finding ourselves a mountain to climb in the 2nd half as they're more than capable of scoring a try or two during that period as well.

We just have to be composed, accurate and patient in the 1st half and let our game, bench, skill take us over the line in the 2nd.

That's really the only way I see them beating us.

 

[ABs2011]

Who would of thought, one team could win or the other!! I never knew

Haha, yeah I always laugh when I see predictions like that. Funily enough it happens all the time.

Predictions like, "well, it'll either be a really tight game and anyone could win, or, the ABs will smash them"
So basically their BOLD prediction is that the underdog won't smash the ABs.... mmm, OK.

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Also, just on your academics comment. I think you'd be suprised. I've spent a decent amount of time with academics both at Vic and Otago. Particulalry at Otago, sport, and of course rugby easily makes up more than 50% of our conversation over morning coffee.

 

[Kiwi_]

Also, just on your academics comment. I think you'd be suprised. I've spent a decent amount of time with academics both at Vic and Otago. Particulalry at Otago, sport, and of course rugby easily makes up more than 50% of our conversation over morning coffee.

Yes, but there's exceptions to every stereotype. The Asian community (which is huge in NZ) are also not interested, yet you will find some who are and can probably give an example yourself.

 

[ABs2011]

Yes, but there's exceptions to every stereotype. The Asian community (which is huge in NZ) are also not interested, yet you will find some who are and can probably give an example yourself.

Again, I think you'd be suprised. I'm not sure it's so much about being of Asian decent, the group I think you are talking about are those who are first generation immigrants - regardless of what (non-rugby playing) country they come from. As soon as you are born in NZ and go to school in NZ I reckon you are just as likely to love rugby as anyone! And there are heaps of Asian-Kiwis that fall into that basket now!

In the circles I am in, the people who arent enamoured by rugby are just as likely to be average Kiwis than any group in particular.

 

[RoosTah]

Not sure what you are thinking of here. England didn't tour NZ in 2002 - NZ went to England with a scracth side missing a good many players and lost to England at Twickenham 28-31 (but outscored them 4 tries to 3).

England did tour in 2003, but they only played one match against NZ.

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Ah, my dates were a tad out. But they beat NZ both home and away in the lead up to that '03 World Cup.

But thank you for proving the old adage that you can never truly beat NZ, you can just score more points than than them [emoji6]

 

[InsaneAsylum]

Why no All Blacks player wear scrum-cap?

obviously they have no brain to protect, but a kiwi will tell you it's because they're tough and grew up on a farm in the deep south :lol:

 

[nzlizard]

obviously they have no brain to protect, but a kiwi will tell you it's because they're tough and grew up on a farm in the deep south :lol:

A little bit of A and a little bit of B