2013 British and Irish Lions

[munstermuffin]

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Shape of my life

 

[big ginger 8]

As I said in my reasons just in my view its there are better players to do jobs and Heaslip in my eyes has been poor. Of all provinces I think even Williams and Coughlan have been playing the better stuff lately. (This doesn't mean I'm saying they're better). But I think worst thing that happened Heaslip is captaincy of Ireland. Which brings me to captaincy issue. I've seen players like Heaslip and Warburton go down astep when given that burden which worries me as Warburton has had issues recently. BOD POC are just 2 I can think of off top of head that keep high standards when captain maybe welsh can advise on welsh players but just it issue I worry about as is fact Warburton guaranteed a spot which mean 1 of 3 in most competitive area is gone.
Just another absentee who I think is unlucky having had fine form is Ryan Jones

I was replying to j'nuh.

It's pretty clear what you want from your 8 mm and that you don't think they're doing their job right if they're not that sort of 8 which is fair enough.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

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Hmm... they didn't seem to get the huge irony/self-derision in your tweet...or more likely they did and just arn't very funny..

 

[Groundhog]

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If you look underneath Cmac's tweet I also got the rejection. Guess I don't fit Gatlands gameplan, but thats ok.
Edit: Did we show the Quade's tweet cmac?

 

[munstermuffin]

I was replying to j'nuh.

It's pretty clear what you want from your 8 mm and that you don't think they're doing their job right if they're not that sort of 8 which is fair enough.

Agreed and didn't mean to interupt but I was just slightly agreeing with j'nuh on bits but again I will say it won't suprise me if Heaslip has a superb tour as I say he's not a poor player just not playing at good enough form IMO.

Again though on reflection the Warburton as Captain issue annoys me as SOB is man I've a feeling could loose out to bench on versatility. Whereas I question is Warburton good enough at moment to be in starting XV? When he plays well he is exceptional but his best games lately were when he was stripped of captaincy and let get on with his own game.

 

[big ginger 8]

The Wallabies will likely choose a loose forward trio from

Scott Higginbotham (6 & 8)
Liam Gill (7)
Wycliffe Palu (8)
Michael Hooper (7)
Ben Mowen (6 & 8)

This is a very, very highly skilled set of players. Higginbotham in particular has the speed of an outside back, the kicking skills of an inside back, and physical strength to match any of the world's best loosies. The Wallabies wasted his skills last year by using him as an "enforcer", as a bit of a thug; to ****le and intimidate opposition. Having seen his stand-out performances in a losing side this year when he has been allowed to play his own game, I don't think Robbie Deans will make that same mistake again. Have a look at his performance for the Rebels against the Crusaders last weekend for an example.

Also, if you think the Wallabies have lost a lot with David Pocock ruled out with injury, then you haven't seen Liam Gill play. The guy is quicker than greased weasel **** at the breakdown.

Its in the loose forwards that I feel the Lions will be over-matched. They simply won't have the speed and athleticism of the Wallabies, so they are going to have to come up with a plan to deal with that.

Yeah Australia have some quality backrows I'm in particular a huge fan of Gill.

However there is plenty of pace and athleticism in the backrows picked.

Tipuric at 1:09
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Croft at 2:20
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Sean O'Brien more athlethicism than out and out pace
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Toby Faletau
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Wouldn't mind a bit of this though.

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[j-dawg]

Jenkins was better than Healy and Sheridan at his best. He has been first choice on two Lions tours for a reason, just his form has dipped last 12 months. Still a top prop though.

Jeez mate, thats 2005. I'm tempted to find a clip of Matt Dunning going off on a stretcher after playing Sheridan (or anyone in fact) but that would be equally invalid.

Better yet, I could get Charlie Hodgsons touch down tries from last year and we'll stick him at loosehead.

Like I said, Gethin; a fine player. But scrumming and power are paramount to a prop and to me, Healy has the edge. And I also wouldn't bring up too much about the starting front row from 2009 either, went to **** when Jones wasn't anchoring it.

 

[ZeFrenchy]

Jeez mate, thats 2005. I'm tempted to find a clip of Matt Dunning going off on a stretcher after playing Sheridan (or anyone in fact) but that would be equally invalid.

Better yet, I could get Charlie Hodgsons touch down tries from last year and we'll stick him at loosehead.

Like I said, Gethin; a fine player. But scrumming and power are paramount to a prop and to me, Healy has the edge. And I also wouldn't bring up too much about the starting front row from 2009 either, went to **** when Jones wasn't anchoring it.

Jeez, read his posts people, don't just watch the video! Duck has been saying for months that Sheridan is playing better than Jenkins at Toulon. Now, he says that despite that, Jenkins at his best was better than Sheridan or Healy at their best. For this, he shows a video of Jenkins at his best. Basically, you're agreeing with him.

 

[munstermuffin]

These boys can do the job

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Jeez mate, thats 2005. I'm tempted to find a clip of Matt Dunning going off on a stretcher after playing Sheridan (or anyone in fact) but that would be equally invalid.

Better yet, I could get Charlie Hodgsons touch down tries from last year and we'll stick him at loosehead.

Like I said, Gethin; a fine player. But scrumming and power are paramount to a prop and to me, Healy has the edge. And I also wouldn't bring up too much about the starting front row from 2009 either, went to **** when Jones wasn't anchoring it.

I'm sure Gethin was scrummaging when Wales took apart the English pack and help ruin the French one ... guy is finding his form again. Going to be a crucial player for the Lions!

Healy is a good good player. Going to be good for the Lions that you got two looseheads who are going head to head. No need for the sarcastic attitude like.

Also for a decent loosehead to function they got to need a quality tight head to help them. People who play front row will know this.

 

[Feicarsinn]

I'm sure Gethin was scrummaging when Wales took apart the English pack and help ruin the French one ... guy is finding his form again. Going to be a crucial player for the Lions!

Healy is a good good player. Going to be good for the Lions that you got two looseheads who are going head to head. No need for the sarcastic attitude like.

Also for a decent loosehead to function they got to need a quality tight head to help them. People who play front row will know this.

Aye, someone's got to bring Cian his towel at half time.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Aye, someone's got to bring Cian his towel at half time.

Humor me some more ...

 

[dullonien]

We all know that the French favour big scrummaging props, and as such Sheridan has benefited. I was never overly impressed with Sheridan in an England shirt, other than his ability to smash weak scrums. I remember a lot of England fans on here having similar views of him. Jenkins has been one of the best props in the world for close to a decade, and has been first choice looshead on two Lions tours, you don't hang someone like that out to dry, especially not after having a fine 6 nations. Jeez!

I've been critical of Jenkins' form over the past year, but it's been painfully obvious that Jenkins has just been missing match fitness, and after a run of games in the 6 nations (something Toulon haven't been prepared to give him) he was looking very much like his old self.

Yeah Australia have some quality backrows I'm in particular a huge fan of Gill.

However there is plenty of pace and athleticism in the backrows picked.

I was going to post something similar. There's an abundance of athleticism and pace in the lions backrow. Lydiate is the slowest of the bunch, but he offers a physical side none of the others do. Heaslip is the next slowest, and that's saying a lot because he's far from slow. Faletau and Warburton are very quick for backrowers (Warburton's break leading up to the second Cuthbert try against England shows that, and there's plenty of evidence about Faletau), then there's Tipuric and Croft who are just rapid.

I'm hoping Tipuric get's a healthy amount of gametime, because he could go down a storm over in Aus on the hard grounds. I have a feeling the Austrailian public would approve of his playing style. I will say it once again, he's one of the most talented rugby players I've ever seen.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I so excite!

 

[TRF_Cymro]

The Wallabies will likely choose a loose forward trio from

Scott Higginbotham (6 & 8)
Liam Gill (7)
Wycliffe Palu (8)
Michael Hooper (7)
Ben Mowen (6 & 8)

This is a very, very highly skilled set of players. Higginbotham in particular has the speed of an outside back, the kicking skills of an inside back, and physical strength to match any of the world's best loosies. The Wallabies wasted his skills last year by using him as an "enforcer", as a bit of a thug; to ****le and intimidate opposition. Having seen his stand-out performances in a losing side this year when he has been allowed to play his own game, I don't think Robbie Deans will make that same mistake again. Have a look at his performance for the Rebels against the Crusaders last weekend for an example.

Also, if you think the Wallabies have lost a lot with David Pocock ruled out with injury, then you haven't seen Liam Gill play. The guy is quicker than greased weasel **** at the breakdown.

Its in the loose forwards that I feel the Lions will be over-matched. They simply won't have the speed and athleticism of the Wallabies, so they are going to have to come up with a plan to deal with that.

I wouldn't count out George Smith, looks like he's on some form.

 

[j-dawg]

I'm sure Gethin was scrummaging when Wales took apart the English pack and help ruin the French one ... guy is finding his form again. Going to be a crucial player for the Lions!

Healy is a good good player. Going to be good for the Lions that you got two looseheads who are going head to head. No need for the sarcastic attitude like.

Also for a decent loosehead to function they got to need a quality tight head to help them. People who play front row will know this.

They don't come much better than Carl Hayman, yet good ol' Geth continues to struggle. I dont want to 'hate' on him, I just don't believe the Welsh hype. He's dissapointed come scrum time for me (except when Jones took apart Joe 'super-scrum' Marler).

When it comes down to it, the Welsh will say Jenkins was the right call, the English will say Sheridan should have gone and the Irish will offer a 'best of both' or 'a healthy alternative' in Cian Healy

 

[TRF_Cymro]

They don't come much better than Carl Hayman, yet good ol' Geth continues to struggle. I dont want to 'hate' on him, I just don't believe the Welsh hype. He's dissapointed come scrum time for me (except when Jones took apart Joe 'super-scrum' Marler).

When it comes down to it, the Welsh will say Jenkins was the right call, the English will say Sheridan should have gone and the Irish will offer a 'best of both' or 'a healthy alternative' in Cian Healy

My point is proven.

Gethin is a loose head and not a tight head as Hayman's is. As you pointed out ... Welsh hype :lol: ... if you want Welsh hype ... more Welsh players should have gone and Shaun Edwards should be there infront of Farrell ....

 

[ratsapprentice]

He was referring to:

Also for a decent loosehead to function they got to need a quality tight head to help them. People who play front row will know this.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

He was referring to:

Seems to do rather ok with Adam Jones there ...

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

You're no spring chicken might as well retire plus I cover wing and have 2 senior caps for my local 3's. And I pure run the 100 metres in over 12 seconds (not gunna say how much over 12 seconds) which is pure class

Lmfao