Where's the hype?

[McTallshort]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11512794

Just to add this, apparently there is a poll in the NZ herald asking if England are the most hated team. Dont see a similar article in the Mail about the All Blacks

 

[nickdnz]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11512794

Just to add this, apparently there is a poll in the NZ herald asking if England are the most hated team. Dont see a similar article in the Mail about the All Blacks

It was based on a misinterpreted comment from Ali Williams in a French magazine to be fair.

I'm confused as to what people are arguing now.

Every country has click bait journalists. Mark Reason and Chris Rattue are prime examples in New Zealand. I think trying to extrapolate the opinions of a country, by poor columns is a bit rubbish. If I was to be honest I don't think England is really the team New Zealand hate losing to all that much - and without being mean spirited its probably partly related to England not winning any meaningful match or series against the All Blacks for as long as I've been alive (or any of the home nations to be fair). South Africa, Australia, France have probably all hurt us more in recent times.

I will say I hate games at Twikenham, but it's really just due to boorish behaviour singing over the haka. 80,000 people, we get it, you can make more noise than the 23 people. At least the RFU have said that microphone levels will be raised on the haka, as has not been the case in recent times..

 

[Mcfadden]

Sometimes I hate the way the English (possibly just the media) react after a victory. I understand it's been awhile, and major victories over the ABs are few and far between but sometimes it's kinda like .. just calm down a bit. Not that our hands are clean of that kind of thing in NZ within other sports, like cricket.

But I personally don't mind the noise during the haka. When it's an away game for us, I certainly don't expect people to sit in their seats quietly like good children. I get your argument though. If the Fijians came here to play I personally wouldn't make the noise of a soccer hooligan while they did their haka. But if it's at a stadium outside of New Zealand - hey, do what you want. Personally it pumps the blood, I'm not sure if it does for anyone else.

 

[GoTheNaki]

It was based on a misinterpreted comment from Ali Williams in a French magazine to be fair.

I'm confused as to what people are arguing now.

Every country has click bait journalists. Mark Reason and Chris Rattue are prime examples in New Zealand. I think trying to extrapolate the opinions of a country, by poor columns is a bit rubbish. If I was to be honest I don't think England is really the team New Zealand hate losing to all that much - and without being mean spirited its probably partly related to England not winning any meaningful match or series against the All Blacks for as long as I've been alive (or any of the home nations to be fair). South Africa, Australia, France have probably all hurt us more in recent times.

I will say I hate games at Twikenham, but it's really just due to boorish behaviour singing over the haka. 80,000 people, we get it, you can make more noise than the 23 people. At least the RFU have said that microphone levels will be raised on the haka, as has not been the case in recent times..

Mark Reason is utterly terrible at anything rugby. His articles are riddled with inaccuracy and stupidity. Awful, awful, writer.

 

[Kiwi_]

Mark Reason is utterly terrible at anything rugby. His articles are riddled with inaccuracy and stupidity. Awful, awful, writer.

I find the worst is Chris Rattue, he is anti-NZ sports, everything a Kiwi sportsmen/women achieves or does well he just constantly criticises and cheapens.

 

[Shaggy]

I'm genuinely amazed that people think the British(/European) media aren't huge All Blacks fan boys.
I wouldn't base your opinion on cherry picked articles posted on social media to garner outrage.

YES ... I don't know why we all just can't get along

 

[smartcooky]

Mark Reason is utterly terrible at anything rugby. His articles are riddled with inaccuracy and stupidity. Awful, awful, writer.

And he might live in NZ, but he is English and, just like his father, he has little more than contempt for NZ Rugby and NZ sport in general. He either has nothing nice to say about NZ, or plenty of nasty stuff, and on the rare occasion that he does say something complimentary, there is always a "barb" in there somewhere.

In short, he's a prick!

 

[ncurd]

I will say I hate games at Twikenham, but it's really just due to boorish behaviour singing over the haka. 80,000 people, we get it, you can make more noise than the 23 people. At least the RFU have said that microphone levels will be raised on the haka, as has not been the case in recent times..

TBF it's not just noise they are singing the semi official English rugby anthem of Swing Low. It's also something that's happened organically over the years and not a premeditated stunt.

And to be honest I like it, it adds to the spectacle of the haka of two nations challenging one another to a contest. It gives the Twickenham crowd a chance to show their solidarity with the English team right before a match.

Lastly the only reason the haka is accepted as part of the game is it adds to the spectacle if it didn't it would of been done away with a long time ago.

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On Brian Moore, he's one of the best rugby pundits/colour commenttors out there. People just get annoyed because a) he rags on teams/refs making a complete hash of scrums which as an ex international hooked should know what he's talking about, b) perceived English arrogance/bias when he rags on them just as much.

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God can this week just end so we have rugby to talk about?

 

[Shaggy]

TBF it's not just noise they are singing the semi official English rugby anthem of Swing Low. It's also something that's happened organically over the years and not a premeditated stunt.

And to be honest I like it, it adds to the spectacle of the haka of two nations challenging one another to a contest. It gives the Twickenham crowd a chance to show their solidarity with the English team right before a match.

Lastly the only reason the haka is accepted as part of the game is it adds to the spectacle if it didn't it would of been done away with a long time ago.

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On Brian Moore, he's one of the best rugby pundits/colour commenttors out there. People just get annoyed because a) he rags on teams/refs making a complete hash of scrums which as an ex international hooked should know what he's talking about, b) perceived English arrogance/bias when he rags on them just as much.

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God can this week just end so we have rugby to talk about?

TBF even when the All Blacks play the likes of Samoa, the Haka and the Sivi Tau are done, they usually give each other the time to finish before the other starts in response ... so I don't see why the crowd can't "wait" and then respond.

The Haka is a New Zealand thing, that has more significance to some, than the national anthem, so it's not anyone else's to do away with ... are the various national anthems for entertainment value? If not, why not do away with them, or why can't the various nations sing over top of them?

 

[TommiG88]

TBF even when the All Blacks play the likes of Samoa, the Haka and the Sivi Tau are done, they usually give each other the time to finish before the other starts in response ... so I don't see why the crowd can't "wait" and then respond.

The Haka is a New Zealand thing, that has more significance to some, than the national anthem, so it's not anyone else's to do away with ... are the various national anthems for entertainment value? If not, why not do away with them, or why can't the various nations sing over top of them?

The majority of the home nations sing over the haka now. You're just gonna have to accept the fact, personally I wouldn't sing over it as I enjoy the haka immensely. On the other hand, it doesn't bother me when people decide to sing over it. At the end of the day it isn't a nation anthem so do what you please.

 

[ncurd]

TBF even when the All Blacks play the likes of Samoa, the Haka and the Sivi Tau are done, they usually give each other the time to finish before the other starts in response ... so I don't see why the crowd can't "wait" and then respond.

The Haka is a New Zealand thing, that has more significance to some, than the national anthem, so it's not anyone else's to do away with ... are the various national anthems for entertainment value? If not, why not do away with them, or why can't the various nations sing over top of them?

1) It's not a national anthem at the end of the day.

2) The haka is only part of international sport in rugby you don't see the Black Caps or the All-Whites doing it.

Still with that aside some nations do not respect other people national anthems and they are only there for spectacle as well to add to national pride of nation and get people fired up. If you don't think World Rugby can't happily tell the NZ rugby team to stop doing the haka you are sadly mistaken. However as it adds to the spectacle of NZ match and alot of fans enjoy it the whole thing stays. Hell it's one of the few things non-rugby fans from places that have no idea about rugby instantly recognise it's brand recognition. So it stays other rugby traditions have had to go in the advent of professionalism as they don't help (Leicester Tigers for instance can no longer wear letters instead of numbers sadly).

The RFU has tried many things before to stage something after the haka (even before the singing started which is a relatively new thing) and none of it has worked the crowd don't want to sing along to something as afterthought after the haka they want to react to the haka as it is happening in the heat of the moment.

Sadly a lot of fans outside of NZ actually despise the haka and don't understand why NZ(and other pacific nations) are allowed to do such a blatant bit of mind games to the opposition literally seconds before kick off. What are other nations allowed to do? Nothing NZ kicks up a real raucous stink if teams try to meet them head on or do anything in response to the haka as it's sacred and should be allowed to carry on with zero response (I accept you didn't say that but I've seen other people argue it and even quote from players saying other nations should do nothing in return both during and after).

Now I don't share that argument completely I have zero problems with NZ being allowed to do the haka but they have to accept they are being allowed to do so out of tradition and the spectacle of it and anything anyone else does is adding to it.

 

[smartcooky]

TBF it's not just noise they are singing the semi official English rugby anthem of Swing Low. It's also something that's happened organically over the years and not a premeditated stunt.

Yeah. Its not really any different from the Welsh crowd at Millennium (or in the old days, the Arms Park) singing Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau before the match.

 

[Shaggy]

1) It's not a national anthem at the end of the day.

2) The haka is only part of international sport in rugby you don't see the Black Caps or the All-Whites doing it.

Still with that aside some nations do not respect other people national anthems and they are only there for spectacle as well to add to national pride of nation and get people fired up. If you don't think World Rugby can't happily tell the NZ rugby team to stop doing the haka you are sadly mistaken. However as it adds to the spectacle of NZ match and alot of fans enjoy it the whole thing stays. Hell it's one of the few things non-rugby fans from places that have no idea about rugby instantly recognise it's brand recognition. So it stays other rugby traditions have had to go in the advent of professionalism as they don't help (Leicester Tigers for instance can no longer wear letters instead of numbers sadly).

The RFU has tried many things before to stage something after the haka (even before the singing started which is a relatively new thing) and none of it has worked the crowd don't want to sing along to something as afterthought after the haka they want to react to the haka as it is happening in the heat of the moment.

Sadly a lot of fans outside of NZ actually despise the haka and don't understand why NZ(and other pacific nations) are allowed to do such a blatant bit of mind games to the opposition literally seconds before kick off. What are other nations allowed to do? Nothing NZ kicks up a real raucous stink if teams try to meet them head on or do anything in response to the haka as it's sacred and should be allowed to carry on with zero response (I accept you didn't say that but I've seen other people argue it and even quote from players saying other nations should do nothing in return both during and after).

Now I don't share that argument completely I have zero problems with NZ being allowed to do the haka but they have to accept they are being allowed to do so out of tradition and the spectacle of it and anything anyone else does is adding to it.

1/ A national anthem is a very European concept, other cultures may see things differently as to there customs/importance of things ... maybe it's an age thing, but I always stand for any country's national anthem, I will sing it if I know it, but if I don't I'll show respect by standing silently ... I'm not saying New Zealand should have the Haka, and other nations can't sing "Swing Low", "Waltzing Matilda" etc, just that a little respect could be shown.

2/ Well you do see the Kiwis (the rugby league side) do it, the basket ballers do it ... if a national team doesn't do it themselves, it seems the supporters will ... the Haka has been done at rugby tests, longer than the national anthems have anyway ... it's done by invitation, if the fans don't want it, they can get their union to ask them not to perform it, but they'll just do it in the changing shed, prior to kick off, for their own benefit anyway ... It's actually world rugby that kick up the stink if the responses don't fit with their protocols, not New Zealand ... I can't see that the other nations aren't allowed to respond, they just have to keep their distance, as does NZ (as per the WR rules)

 

[FrenchFan]

Yeah, that'll be why Joubert allowed France to score their only try from a blatant ruck offside, and gave them two kickable penalties to win the game which your two goal-kickers missed.

 

[Mcfadden]

2) The haka is only part of international sport in rugby you don't see the Black Caps or the All-Whites doing it.

Not really important or anything, but rugby isn't the only place you see the Maori haka from New Zealand sports teams. I'm probably forgetting a few teams, but I know the Tall Blacks (basketball) team do it. A bit cringe, but still.

 

[Kiwi_]

Every school does the Haka.. We used to do the Haka before all our matches and during interschools and games when the school was watching all the forms/classes would do the Haka before the game and sometimes during it..

Of course they're all different personalized school Haka's, not Ka Mate.

 

[jomjom]

To be honest when Ireland and the ABs meet in the final and the ABs do the haka, the Irish team should link arms and break into riverdance whilst a hearty jig erupts from the speakers. Imagine how terrified the Kiwis would be. 36-7 to Ireland

 

[valley commando]

Brian Moore is the best TV pundit, he says it how it is and is both intelligent and objective, trouble is most people can't take the truth.

 

[ncurd]

Brian Moore is the best TV pundit, he says it how it is and is both intelligent and objective, trouble is most people can't take the truth.

*jaw drops*

I've never heard a welshman compliment Moore before...to come from your mouth....I need to check how I travelled how I crossed dimensions into this reality.

 

[chippieolamus]

Brian Moore is the best TV pundit, he says it how it is and is both intelligent and objective, trouble is most people can't take the truth.

Wait... Did I just... Agree with you?