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Strange that nobody talk about the Parra's broken orbital boon!:huh:
Strange how Mc Caw's attempt is now re-called a "knee contact"!
One more time, NZ really **** in their pants against France. And because their victory isn't without stains, they try to wash the affront and to give to their victory a brightness she'll never really have. I'm sad for that because i was in love with New Zealand.
 
i dont expect you to find it cookielove, i expect skytv to have it, remember they couldnt find the lions 05 incident aswell
 
Damn, you're all right. New Zealand cheated to win the game, we don't deserve to be world champions, McCaw is a dirty cheat, the IRB and Sky TV are all in New Zealand's pocket. Feel better?
 
ikvat said:
it's classical and pathetic. They attacked the French for their "well known violent and vicious attitude on a rugby field" all along the week before the final. Like often, the contrary happened during the match. They now try to give Mc Caw a new virginity.
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That'll be because France has a history of going for people's nuts, hell one of our players even lost a nut playing France as they ripped it clean out.
Clearly in a whole different league to not rolling away fast enough which McCaw is often accused of.

In regards to your other comment, most Kiwi's are just happy we won and are now the World Champions.
We don't need to add a shine to the victory as the victory was sweet enough, especially considering who we knocked out on the way (the only way it could of been sweeter is if we got to knock out South Africa as well).

Is also a shame that you judge a country by it's media, imagine if I judged France by its media instead of going their, meeting the people and having a grand time.
 
ikvat said:
Strange that nobody talk about the Parra's broken orbital boon!:huh:
Strange how Mc Caw's attempt is now re-called a "knee contact"!
One more time, NZ really **** in their pants against France. And because their victory isn't without stains, they try to wash the affront and to give to their victory a brightness she'll never really have. I'm sad for that because i was in love with New Zealand.
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I talked about it in the other thread here: http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/...s.-New-Zealand&p=463929&viewfull=1#post463929

There was no intent by McCaw to do anything other than clear Dusautoir from the ruck. Accidental contact. The slowmo replay that focusses on Parra does look bad but when seen in context it is obvious what happened.
 
TRF_nickdnz said:
Damn, you're all right. New Zealand cheated to win the game, we don't deserve to be world champions, McCaw is a dirty cheat, the IRB and Sky TV are all in New Zealand's pocket. Feel better?
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The sad thing is nick, that there are actually people out there who truly believe that.... they believe in the grassy knoll theory too.
 
Classic French, always have been a dirty team. Remember Parra eye gouging Woodcock in Marseille in '09 as well. Filthy pricks, just lucky King Richie is such a top bloke or else Gougerie would be on the sidelines for a while.
 
ikvat said:
Strange that nobody talk about the Parra's broken orbital boon!:huh:
Strange how Mc Caw's attempt is now re-called a "knee contact"!
One more time, NZ really **** in their pants against France. And because their victory isn't without stains, they try to wash the affront and to give to their victory a brightness she'll never really have. I'm sad for that because i was in love with New Zealand.
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Sure, but they won and you lost. Face it, it's about time.
 
TRF_nickdnz said:
Damn, you're all right. New Zealand cheated to win the game, we don't deserve to be world champions, McCaw is a dirty cheat, the IRB and Sky TV are all in New Zealand's pocket. Feel better?
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smartcooky said:
The sad thing is nick, that there are actually people out there who truly believe that.... they believe in the grassy knoll theory too.
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Ian and Nick,

With all due respect it is pretty hard to say that France were not cheated going off the evidence. Kaino really was lucky not to be carded. McCaw too. As I said on your form, smartcooky, He was offside throughout the match. All this does is means I need to write less. The commentary is spot on and good to see the suggestion that NZ deserve to win. They do, but they had a 16th player - Craig Joubert.

 
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Melhor Time said:
Ian and Nick,

With all due respect it is pretty hard to say that France were not cheated going off the evidence. Kaino really was lucky not to be carded. McCaw too. As I said on your form, smartcooky, He was offside throughout the match. All this does is means I need to write less. The commentary is spot on and good to see the suggestion that NZ deserve to win. They do, but they had a 16th player - Craig Joubert.

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FFS, people make these statements - "France were cheated", "Kaino should have been carded", "McCaw should have been carded" and the only evidence is this video.

Ok, let's go through it.

1. (0:01-0:11) Palisson is tackled by McCaw, Thorn and Woodcock are the first to the breakdown and contest for the ball on their feet. Rougerie attempts to clearout Thorn - not very successfully. Palisson holds onto the ball while Woodcock remains on his feet (his weight is supported by the ruck but still on his feet) and the referee blows for holding on. You could argue that McCaw did not release the tackled player. The talk over this footage was "That's a penalty - there's no way Woodcock there has hold of that ball." They are talking about Woodcock, not McCaw. Woodcock was contesting for the ball and Palisson held on - if this is what makes their reel then you can already see that they are over reaching.

2. (0:11-0:18) Seriously? This is pathetic. McCaw is not playing the ball at all. He is disrupting French possession for sure but he is doing it by competing for the space over the ball against the players trying to clear him out. Absolutely standard breakdown play and I don't see much illegal there. This is how you slow down opposition ball legally.

3. (0:18-0:38) Comparing Read's offside and Parra's. Obviously this is about materiality. Read went offside but then retreated and had no effect on the play. Parra did the same but then was immediately involved in the play - materiality.

4. (0:38-0:43) High tackle from Woodcock. The tackle was high, Woodcock hit the shoulder and would have hit the head if Trinh-Duc had not ducked. I think a penalty was in order there but I have heard others say it was not technically a high tackle by the laws. Whatever - he ducked under it and carried on with possession - I don't see a big deal here.

5. (0:43-0:54) Thorn carries from the back of a ruck and is tackled. Dusautoir competes for the ball and McCaw first and then Franks try to clear him, unsuccessfully. I guess they are saying that Thorn held on too long and should have been penalised. Maybe. I wouldn't have a problem with Thorn being penalised here but these are the kind of marginal things you see going either way all the time in rugby.

6. (0:54-1:04) Again, pathetic that this makes their reel. "Look at Richie McCaw, and they're playing the ball off their feet." Nonsense. McCaw is not playing the ball at all. The ball is tied up and France gets the scrum. Standard.

7. (1:04-1.32) Kaino contests French possession at a ruck, knocks on, there's a scrap for possession and France get the scrum. This is the one they called "shameful". Kaino started on his feet - perfectly legal. There are several seconds where you can't see on the coverage what is happening but certainly the French are not happy with what is going on. The reverse angle only shows the end of it where Kaino is on his feet and gets the ball in his hands. If there was anything illegal up to this point then you can't see it on the coverage. Kaino then knocks the ball on. I don't think Joubert saw this knock-on. If he did then he should have blown for the knock-on or for Hore going for the subsequent loose ball from offside. Assuming that Joubert did not see the knock-on then he rules the subsequent events correctly - the ball gets tied up in a mess of players and France receives the scrum. Yes, Joubert missed the knock-on (therefore he doesn't recognise Hore as being offside) - mistake certainly, but that is all. They used the word "shameful" 3 times here.

8. (1:32-1:46) New Zealand penalty. Harinordoquy may have come from an offside position here but I don't think that was what the penalty was for. Joubert was on the other side of the ruck from the camera, was crouched down looking at the play, decided there was something illegal and awards the penalty to NZ. We can't see what is happening and Joubert is in perfect position to see what is going on. What is the complaint here exactly?


So that's the best they could find? Seriously? 1, 2, 3, 6 and 8 shouldn't even be there - they are all fine. 4 could have been penalised (others say it is fine) even though France continued with good quality possession. 5 was marginal. 7 was certainly a missed knock-on.

Wow - big friggin deal. I am sure I could make a much more persuasive case the other way, starting with Rougerie's offside in the ruck that lead to Weepu's kicking the ball into French hands and the subsequent try, and ending with Rougerie's headbutt and eye rake on McCaw.

By all means feel free to argue any of the above 8 incidents. The "discussion" over the top of this video is beyond biased. If this is the worst they can find from a highly competitive test match then that actually reflects very well on Joubert if you ask me.
 
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McCaw is psychic, he knew the exact moment Parra was going to stick his head up so he timed his knee perfectly.

Damn psychic ninja cheat.
 

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