TRF EA Rugby '06 NZ Tournament

[danny_bullen]

with regard to the early tackle penalties - how do we go about getting the ball out at the desired points on the field - ie penalty - lineout on the 5m line? - do we have to run it out or try and kick it - i can see this being a problem as normally the AI will tackle you in that situation and alot of time will be lost trying to get the ball out. Also what is the cam side?

 

[2wordz]

How about points deductions for early tackles because taking a throw in after every early tackle will be a big ass time waster OR we can play by the in game rules, if it doesnt get penalised 'in game' then its allowed

 

[woosaah]

side view danny,

am going to sort out my pc for recording tonight, need to find some decent codecs and stuff before i am ready to come around and test it out.

anyone got any ideas for codecs for video/audio that will keep the file size down?

 

[C A Iversen]

Boy, am I glad I'm not involved in finalising the rules, lol! Sounds like heaps of fun......like drafting a constitution.

I'm not an attorney, but I will be at a-tourney.

I'm looking forward to reading two things on the way up. War and Peace........and the Official NZ TRF EA Sports Rugby 2006 Tournament Rules Book.

Will it be available as an audio book? :huh:

 

[woosaah]

since GG is a teacher, he can get up in front of the class and give the rules before the official tornament starts.

if he so chooses he can tape himself and we can all watch on the projector

now wouldnt that be fun?

 

[Gay-Guy]

Very simple to follow the early tackle law. Give the ball to the player who early tackles and let them run it out in the designated place. Give it to them by any of the various kicking techniques and pull your guys away from the ball.

Unfortunately the early tackle issue is something the game has missed and it really is a game killer. The use of it spoils the game and it becomes a huge advantage to those good players who know how to exploit it on a new player. It doesn't encourage the spirit of rugby as people will often throw the final pass to a guy who would normally score............and then discover he is lying on the ground. A lot of promising backline moves which come from fantastic creativity get killed this way.

Early tackles are basically the good players bullying tool. It is one thing to give someone a beat down. It is another to rub it in by totally wrecking that persons attack by taking out the recievers.



"Player info on. All other display options off (names, offside line, etc)"
Woosaah this rule is for the display options. To make the game look realistic rather than some space invaders thing it is best to have the display set up like this....where only the players name who the human is controlling is at the bottom of the screen away from the ball. This is more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. It also raises the skill level as both players need to look very carefully to see who is who and opens the game up for sneaky ambushing from star players matching up etc. With names and stars on it becomes a game of space invaders where we spend half out time watching the stars changing positions rather than the rugby itself.

Danny I am still waiting for your bro to call me........

2words would be great if you were there :cheers:

I have heard through underground rumours on Auckland streets that there are people who are VERY quiet members of this forum who are talking about going down from Auckland. If this is you and you are reading this then pm me and catch a ride with me for free.

Don't forget the BBQ!!!!!
Don't forget the night out with me as the sober driver!!!!!

 

[danny_bullen]

I still dont see the ease of giving the ball to person who infringed to try and get it out at the right spot - still think it will be a time delay to do it - what if the infringing player gives your 10m by pulling his players back or if they do get a turnover then they need to grubber it to the other team and give them 10m by pulling the players back. In games i play this is what we do. Just he pulling back of players is enough to allow a good advantage to attacking team. Thoughts anyone?

If we are to use the penalty as per GG suggestion that is fine but wanted to voice my opinion of the time delaying in trying to get the ball into touch.

At the end of the day ill adjust to whatever the rules are.


GG - my bro keeps mentioning that he needs to play you but never seems to get around to it - hes been in Aussie for the last week so who knows what hes upto next.

 

[Gay-Guy]

I still dont see the ease of giving the ball to person who infringed to try and get it out at the right spot - still think it will be a time delay to do it - what if the infringing player gives your 10m by pulling his players back or if they do get a turnover then they need to grubber it to the other team and give them 10m by pulling the players back. In games i play this is what we do. Just he pulling back of players is enough to allow a good advantage to attacking team. Thoughts anyone?

If we are to use the penalty as per GG suggestion that is fine but wanted to voice my opinion of the time delaying in trying to get the ball into touch.

At the end of the day ill adjust to whatever the rules are.


GG - my bro keeps mentioning that he needs to play you but never seems to get around to it - hes been in Aussie for the last week so who knows what hes upto next.
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.......thats cool if he is busy....no prob

.....cool you have another idea on the early tackle ruling.....

Personally I find it is more advantageous attacking from a set piece rather than a random ruck where who knows who has the ball at the bottom of the ruck. If you get early tackled in the dying seconds of the game and they grubber to your halfback who gets tackled and is at the bottom of the ruck.....the next pass will be loopish from the acting halfback and your first reciever may get smashed.....or it may be Habana or some other star player you want to give it to but he just happens to be at the bottom of the ruck.......giving the ball back may be good but it is a bit random whereas with a lineout you are in total control of who is where and it does give the opposition a slight chance of contesting it.....like any other lineout from a penalty.

17 hours left of debate before finalisation.......

 

[danny_bullen]

example: i am attacking on halfway near the sideline, ruck forms and i do short pass off the side to forward who is hit by early tackle resulting in ball going to ground.

Now to try and get the ball into touch for the early tackle penalty:
I regather the ball and grubber it to your team, your team miss it and i regather again, i grubber again to try and get it to you so you can take it into touch, finally your team has it, now you are trying to run to touch ot give me the designated penalty for early tackle. Due to the me not being able to change player as fast as the AI are trying to tackle another ruck forms. Now you have set backline and you pass towards cam side sideline and finally get it into touch.

This could be a common occurance for trying to get the penalties awarded - time wasting to the max.
And dependant on players skills this could be faster to do or slower to do.

I like the other fullas idea of points reduction for early tackles, this is clean and simple and will work with players of all calibers. Perhaps the offending team loses three points(consider a kicked penalty) if done anywhere on the field and 7 if done within there own 22 (penalty trie style). And perhaps more than 5 early tackles in a game results in automatic loss of game.

disclaimer: Still only ideas not trying to shoot anyone elses down....

 

[woosaah]

i like the 3 points if in opposition half, and 5 for inside 22 (7 just seams to much). and if in own half and it results in loss of possesion cant it just be kept in the ruck wait for a turn over or scrum? even if it is in the scrum it could be deamed as a no contest and the team not offending could automatically win the ball.

just an ideea

 

[Gay-Guy]

Automatic pionts is a good idea....but..........it still leaves the problem of play restarting from "wherever"

Play has to start again from somewhere..........the restarting of play is pretty much the same scenario problem all over again.

Even with the automatic points system somebody has to end up with the ball somewhere and play on from some position. Because this aspect is so murky people will bend it to become advantageous to themselves. People will start arguing over the way play is restarted saying it was not fair to one or the other because there are no clear cut rules on how play is restarted.

Giving over possession will be something that will come up with early tackles issues whether it is points automatically being awarded or not. It is not the ideal system but unfortunately due to the nature of this issue being missed by EA it is something that must be addressed MANUALLY by players in agreement.

My main reasons against the notion that possession change is a problem are:

1. A player at a good level on R2006 knows how to convert. If they do not know then it would be safe to say they simply play at a very low level as converting is essential to even a basic defence. Therefore kicking possession away to the opposition and converting your players away from tackling is easy enough.

2. The player who infringed who is taking the ball out is going BACKWARDS. They are moving AWAY from the opposition. They are not moving forward into the oppostion team.

3. If there is a player who really does not know how to convert his players away from tackling after giving the opposition the ball.........and allows his players to move up and tackle whether deliberate of indeliberate.....they are slowing down themselves considering they are the ones who will be in the drivers seat. This may also be seen as a tactic to slow down the game...however it can be countered by the player who is required to put the ball out by them doing their best to put it out. It is also noteworthy that players who do not know how to convert away their players are probably not going to be in any position to win the game anyway as the inability to do this simple thing shows they are at a very low level.

 

[woosaah]

if we can sort this out we maybe able to record the rules and such to show people what to do if such things happen.

cause i am still fuzzy on that area

 

[Gay-Guy]

So Far......

International Teams only. Default lineup. 2 mins swithing players around at the start of the game

Round robin twice (Each player having a go at home/team first choice/kit choice and side to sit on)

S14 points system (bonus points/for an against points/ etc)

Old NRL playoff system
Standings from round robin comp....top 5 teams are placed 1 to 5.
First playoff week.
Minor semi final 1 = 5 vs 4 (sudden death...loser out...winner to play loser of 3 vs 2 next week)
Minor semi final 2 = 3 vs 2 (loser plays winner of 5 vs 4 next week....winner plays 1 next week)
1 = (has a bye)
Second play off week
Major semi final 1 = Winner of 5 vs 4 vs loser of 3 vs 2 (sudden death with winner playing loser of vs of 3 vs 2 next week) Major Semi final = 1 plays winner of 3 vs 2 (loser plays winner of the game just above next week....winner goes straight to the grandfinal in a fortnight)
Third playoff week
Final = Winner of Major Semi one vs Loser of Major semi 2 (sudden death with winner to next weeks Grand Final)
Bye for winner of Major semi 2 = (straight ot the Grand final)
Fourth playoff
Grand final = Winner of Major semi 2 vs winner of Final (Loser becomes runner up...winner is the champion)

During all playoff games the higher ranked player from the round robin has first choice of team, home advantage, side to sit, and kit choice (except final where the location will be changed to random)

10 mins each half

Major Semi Final, Final, and Grand Final 20 min half games

Wind: Strong

Difficulty: Elite

Drawn games during playoff then Golden point rules with new game restart option.

Management dealings only to be accessed when ball is out of play. Any infringement of this then the early tackle ball penalty guidelines are to be followed. Management accessing during a conversion or penalty kick window showing and the ball not yet being "inflight" will result in a 5m attacking lineout at the next start of play. If time is up and the kick could potentially have equalled the game or perhaps won it, then game will restart with the aforementioned rules occuring and the Golden point rule in force. To safeguard from false management accessing accusation happening the non kicker can place his control pad in the hands of the kicker and declare "no access" until he (or she) chooses to take the controller back at any time. Non kicker is free from management access issues during the time when kicker has the control pad.

Game set for Widescreen

Camera View: SIDE

knockons: DEFAULT

injuries: DEFAULT

Fatigue: DEFAULT

Drop goals: NORMAL

No penalty kick attempts from beyond 60m

No Early tackles(hitting man without the ball)

Every match will have a referee watching and to make decisions based on the penalty *guidelines below ???

*Penalties for Early Tackles as follows:
-if the offence is in the attackers 22 then the offender should take the ball out at half way.
-if the offence in is the attackers 22-halfway then the offender should take the ball out on his 22 metre line
-if the offence is anywhere in the offenders own half then the offender should take the ball out on his own 5 metre line.
In regards to a person appealing randomly for an early dive tackle in an attempt to slow the game down when it just looks like a clean hit:
-appeal justified then judgement against the offender as above
-appeal rejected then early tackle penalty rule reversed against the appealer. If offence is on own goaline 3 ruck advantages are given to the other player before the 5 metre take the ball out rule is enforced or even earlier if a third ruck does not eventuate, unless a try or drop goal is scored.
If less than one minute to go then instead of a lineout it will be a ruck 5 metres from the cam sideline and in the designated feild position.

Display options:
All huds off except player info to show human controlled players name and turbo longevity at the bottom of the screen.

 

[dobrien7]

Early tackle - the above should be a guideline if both parties don't agree to a quick fix, as it could be putting people off entering seeing how (potentially) complex it's getting.

 

[Gay-Guy]

Early tackle - the above should be a guideline if both parties don't agree to a quick fix, as it could be putting people off entering seeing how (potentially) complex it's getting.
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Well the rules are actually quite simple in its working form and most situations will not have a lot of complications happening during our games....we hope.

It only looks scary because it is "conclusive" in order to cover any possible dispute happening. The rules are just covering worse case scenarios.........last thing we want is something happening and no resolution.

In reality most games will just pan out normally.

As long as people can play ok then we shouldn't have a problem.

 

[dobrien7]

That's good, wasn't keen on waiting on the Beehive to get back to us on whether our Rules Bill had passed in time in a month

Must admit, that in the hundreds of games of R06 I've played, I've only once seen it result in a try to a xbox team, and once to a human team, so we shouldn't encounter it in my opinion.

But then just in case, we've got the legislation above

 

[C A Iversen]

In regards to a person appealing randomly for an early dive tackle in an attempt to slow the game down when it just looks like a clean hit:
-appeal justified then judgement against the offender as above
-appeal rejected then early tackle penalty rule reversed against the appealer. If offence is on own goaline 3 ruck advantages are given to the other player before the 5 metre take the ball out rule is enforced or even earlier if a third ruck does not eventuate, unless a try or drop goal is scored.
If less than one minute to go then instead of a lineout it will be a ruck 5 metres from the cam sideline and in the designated feild position.

Display options:
All huds off except player info to show human controlled players name and turbo longevity at the bottom of the screen.[/b]
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I'm finding the above to be a little over the top. I think three ruck advantages to your opposition when they are camped on your line to be a little too much. They should only get to win the next ruck ball and move on.

Lets face it early tackles do happen accidentally sometimes. Three rucks is one hell of an advantage and may as well be giving a try to the wrongly appealed against attacker. Sure the appeal shouldn't have been placed but hey, a try may not actually have been scored.

Then, unbelieveably after surviving three rucks being given to your opposition, (who should be all quality players) then to have to run the ball out? Screw that.

Lets just make it that you let offended player win a ruck and then if you get it back too soon (within one more ruck) then you run it out at the 5m line.

As for conceeding points that weren't actually conceeded (as was suggested earlier), lets get a grip. In the unlikely event of an "early tackle mania" the above rules more than look after the player offended.

Dave and I play competition with a large group of mates week in and week out. Over and over and over again. There have been debatable things happen once in a while. Sportsmanship usually prevails and if one person does something stupid and is acting like a dick, someone else will say "hey man, thats not really fair" and the offender either runs it out, boots it out, or if times up, lets the other person have the ball.

Thats all. Totally.

I know I said I wasn't going to contribute to the rules, but I have to say something about this. It's getting ridiculous.

I'm supplying a cup to play for, I'm flying across the country, and taking two days off work. That doesn't entitle me to anything, I know. I just want this to work.

Will I be heard on something? Who knows?

******On another subject******

Will doubles be played?

It'd largely be just for fun, as most people wouldn't be good at it, but it'd take the edge off the serious competition and provide and interesting (and quick) comp.

Same rules (of course), and if someone could buy two of those cheapo $20 little rugby player trophies and get it engraved, it'd be neat.

Is anyone game to stick their hand up for that?

Danny's conributing his house.
I'm doing the comp trophy.
Dobrien7 is getting the div 2 trophy (for any outside of the top three, I'd presume).
Need a good guy for the doubles perhaps...............?

 

[dobrien7]

div 2 trophy (for any outside of the top three, I'd presume[/b]

Good point, how is this Div 2 going to work?

 

[Gay-Guy]

This is cool Craig


"Dave and I play competition with a large group of mates week in and week out. Over and over and over again. There have been debatable things happen once in a while. Sportsmanship usually prevails and if one person does something stupid and is acting like a dick, someone else will say "hey man, thats not really fair" and the offender either runs it out, boots it out, or if times up, lets the other person have the ball."

Ideally this should be the rule. In fact this should be the rule.

All the other add ons are just to cover for punks who don't have sportsmanship and will play to the edge of the rules.

....hopefully people will be fair sports and do what is right....I like your guys system and I think that should be the model to follow by. We should only pull out the early tackle rules extensive paper work if a bad situation does turn up.

Wow one month to go!!!!

With doubles CAI I can't play with you there as I have never played it. However if Bully the Guru contacts me anytime before then the two of us will have a go at playing this system......then we can have a game or two against you guys.

Cheers on the trophy CAI.
Big ups for Danny and Woosahs accomodation, BBQ, and projectors.
My projector is at the bottom end of the range....but the steak I will provide for the BBQ will have everyone talking for at least a year :lol: ...hopefully for the right reasons. :lol:
We must remember to take lots of photos of each other and put it up on TRF.
I may provide free alcohol to the guy who seems to be doing very well DURING the comp
We gotta take time out for a touch game maybe after lunch or something.
Don't forget to get splashed if we go out on the town to a local bar for a game of pool or something (did I hear nightclub lol!!!). Sorry if you are too hungover for the playoffs the next day. :lol2tn:

 

[dobrien7]

So you can see why Iversen and myself were a little bemused by the lengths the rules were going into as we've never really had a problem... but everything is shaping up for our get together well, hopefully this month flys by!