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Early tackle is different from a a spot tackle. Early tackle the receiver never got the ball in hand.

CAI......If the forward receiver is simply doing quick hands to the next receiver........that is ok.

It is when the forward gets hit before he catches the ball to do quick hands to the next receiver..........thats illegal.

Why i am so against early tackles is that me and the boys do it a lot to disrupt things....can really turn a game ugly and is unfair.....kills the flow......kills the game...trust me!
 
Originally posted by Gay-Guy@Jun 27 2006, 03:07 PM
Early tackle is different from a a spot tackle. Early tackle the receiver never got the ball in hand.

CAI......If the forward receiver is simply doing quick hands to the next receiver........that is ok.

It is when the forward gets hit before he catches the ball to do quick hands to the next receiver..........thats illegal.

Why i am so against early tackles is that me and the boys do it a lot to disrupt things....can really turn a game ugly and is unfair.....kills the flow......kills the game...trust me!
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With that technique they won't be able to get your forward before he passes.
 
sometimes they do but its not worth going for it all the time. cause if they stuff up it leaves a whole which makes them think about something else. and a different way of defending

i spent alot of time last nite trying to chace danny around with mccaw i want to know why he was always the one chasing at the front but not getting anywhere near him.

i love the muddy games, it evened things up ALOT
 
When I come up to Wellington, and win the ***le, I'm going to give the loser of our final a Rude Awakening. :lol:
 
woosaah my most hated move of yours was that loser Reuben thorne off the ruck doing sidesteps - oh and ritchie mccaw being all over the feild to stop me. And Reuben thorne is now an all black again?????? what the!!!!
 
thorne has a mean sidestep aye :)

what about my barge the full back with mccaw with you moving your fullback so he doesnt get hurt

oh yeah fun times :)
 
The boys have been busy at it today :)

For me early tackle is when your player gets hit before he receives the ball.

I am relentless too, wave after wave of attack, offensive or defensive :p

and it created Craigs effective response, so a win for all of us so far :p

The anticipation of this event is already healthy, and will only grow more so as the months/weeks tick by, sooooo looking forward to it!
 
Originally posted by woosaah@Jun 27 2006, 01:05 PM
doesnt mean they are deliberate. it could just be a lack of timing.

i am not even sure if i did any early tackles last night, did i danny? if i did it wasnt many. (not many if any :D)

there should be a rule for it, like at one stage i was getting early tackled like 3 or 4 times in a row that got annoying :p

what about if you do an early tackle inside the opposition 22 or half its an automatic penatly and if you do it in your own half once is ok, but more than once penalised or something?
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I've already posted up some suggestions for the early tackle situation a few pages back....other people have too.

Dobrien....is that you in the pic!
 
Apparently so... yes, at least when I was in the film Remember The ***ans :)

Hehe if you wanna compare, get Iversen to repost his old sig he had...



Oh, had some more training games and saw better examples of the early tackle, I actually conceded a try to one as the early tackle was as I was trying to hurriedly get out of own in goal and tackle took out my last receiver and intended kicker, so ball just rolled along and was (eventually) dived on.

Also noticed it seems to happen when say there's a line break in open play, and the defensive player panics slightly and does a succession of A button pushes, reeling off half a dozen dive tackles, which quite often a couple will take out near players...
 
Originally posted by dobrien7@Jun 27 2006, 11:04 PM
Apparently so... yes, at least when I was in the film Remember The ***ans :)

Hehe if you wanna compare, get Iversen to repost his old sig he had...



Oh, had some more training games and saw better examples of the early tackle, I actually conceded a try to one as the early tackle was as I was trying to hurriedly get out of own in goal and tackle took out my last receiver and intended kicker, so ball just rolled along and was (eventually) dived on.

Also noticed it seems to happen when say there's a line break in open play, and the defensive player panics slightly and does a succession of A button pushes, reeling off half a dozen dive tackles, which quite often a couple will take out near players...
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Yep.....thats what it does.....
 
Whats peoples thoughts on the late tackle done on man kicking grubber? can always get him and can do it quite late - my thoughts are that this should be penalised also, because more often than not it would result in a try if he had not been tackled.
 
i think it would depend on how late it is as the other night i was tackling you as you were doing it, i was a bit slow and didnt know you were doing it.

i think if it is late and noticably late it should be penalised even if it is done by accident. the guys on tv always say they didnt mean to hit em late, and they still get penalised.

we will need a match referee for each game by the looks of it
 
yeah there was no problem with your tackling as i was in the process of grubbering it - but you can get them a second or so after they have kicked it and have started chasing.

YES those of us at the tournament will need to be the third ref i think if anyone raises a concern.

Perhaps Woosaah you should go through and pull out all the rules ideas and compile into one message so everyone is practising the TRF comp rules. Think i summed it up in one message earlier and we have then had GG's penalty ideas explained and also add which things will be penalised.
 
I am not "for" the late tackle after the grubber or any kick being penalised for one simple reason which sets it apart from the early tackle issue.

The computer AI often tackles the kicker late.

Unlike the early tackle issue, the computer AI can often tackle someone late who has grubbered and is running through....therefore often it cannot be explained as a deliberate act of the human opponent unlike the early tackle which requires the human to press the dive tackle button.

To be quite honest.....a grubber that has occured and the kicker gets late tackled is often an interpretation thing......on the other hand early tackles that occur are clear cut......the player did not have the ball first.

Not all attempted tackles on the grubber guy are successful. Most times the computer will register that as the ball is no longer part of the kicker and you will freely move on. 80% of the time this is the case.

Most tackles on grubber guys are when they player is in the movement of kicking and does not pull it off.

Overall I have found that going for the guy who has just grubbered is not a sure thing at all......therefore it is not really an unfair "cheat" technique. Especially considering that there is a much more effective and sure way of dealing with grubber kicks than trying to simply take the person out.

We have learnt that tackling the guy who grubbers is not the way to deal with grubbers and is in fact a very risky move to try.......the other option is 90% more effective defusing grubbers. Therefore let people who want to stop grubbers by attempting to take the guy out do as they please.....they will concede more tries as a result if they miss it. Tackling grubber guys is actually the worst defensive strategy to do in that situation and if someone was doing that to me then I would happily grubber all day.
 
Originally posted by danny_bullen@Jun 28 2006, 12:29 PM
well thats that cleared up then - im happy to leave it if you are GG.
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:lol: :lol:

Sad I had to clear it up like that as it probably gave people ideas on how they should be marking grubbers......damn!!!!

Nevermind.......
 
Man I wish this game didn't have so many grey areas, about what you can do or shouldn't do.

We must remember though these "rules" or whatever you all want to do, must be established and defined by two months (eight weeks ) before the tournament.

We all deserve at least that long to know what set of conditions we will be playing to.
 
Originally posted by C A Iversen@Jun 28 2006, 12:35 PM
Man I wish this game didn't have so many grey areas, about what you can do or shouldn't do.

We must remember though these "rules" or whatever you all want to do, must be established and defined by two months (eight weeks ) before the tournament.

We all deserve at least that long to know what set of conditions we will be playing to.
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I agree.....2 months before the event.....

So therefore rules should be set by August the 1st.

We will spend this interim period discussing what needs to be addressed.
 

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