I agree it is not as bad as some were describing, however it was a swinging arm with force to the neck so should have been a penalty and yellow. I think the difficulty people have at the moment is with unintentional/accidents. I don't think O'Brien had any intention, but players now have a duty of care and he swung his arm into Naholo towards the neck/shoulder area. Again like I said for SBW, don't give the ref/citing blokes the opportunity to interpret it.
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I agree it is not as bad as some were describing, however it was a swinging arm with force to the neck so should have been a penalty and yellow. I think the difficulty people have at the moment is with unintentional/accidents. I don't think O'Brien had any intention, but players now have a duty of care and he swung his arm into Naholo towards the neck/shoulder area. Again like I said for SBW, don't give the ref/citing blokes the opportunity to interpret it.
He doesn't duck into it, he's facing the opposite way and can't see him. He's trying to go to ground to recycle.
Either way it was obviously completely accidental and in no way warrants a red card.
Oh it's not a red at all. Definite penalty and personally a yellow as it's swinging with force. Problem is he accidently made contact with his neck, but he did intend to swing his arm into contact. It's a mistake by O'Brien. However this is the new laws and they have to learn to play within them.
He's been cited because "it is deemed to have met the threshold for a red card". Which is a complete joke.
Again, it is a case of not giving an official the opportunity to interpret it that way. TBH I can see why he is cited. If that was in open play it would be a red as he has swung with force and intent making contact with the neck. It's reckless.
A good test match even with all the cards and reffereeing decisions. Im not going to get into the refereeing part of things. Thought he was fair and maybe a couple of calls could have been looked at differently but that applied to both teams.
I think it came down who created and took their chances. BIL did exactly that especially in the 2nd half with the limited posession and territory. We couldnt capitilise with missed penalties and squandered atleast 1 try scoring opportunity.
Well done BIL for keeping the series alive. Bring on Game 3
I think it came down who created and took their chances. BIL did exactly that especially in the 2nd half with the limited posession and territory. We couldnt capitilise with missed penalties and squandered atleast 1 try scoring opportunity.
Well done BIL for keeping the series alive. Bring on Game 3
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I've been waiting for a video of this, didn't get to watch the game...that's not bad, I know naholo failed his concussion test and all but I'm not sure Obrien could even see naholo ahead let alone aim for it
Not going to talk about the tackle in the air penalty...don't feel like arguing if I'm honest
Sbw cost is this game, I don't believe he was thinking I'll knock this guys out...I don't think he was thinking at all, justifies red
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Yes. It's the ankle injury suffered in ERCC QF that is issue. He's been managing it ever since. Agree Olyy there's an element of fatigue also
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Also Seanie will get a ban or SBW will be freed. Can see that scenario happening
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FYI, Sean O'Brien has been cited for the swinging arm on Naholo
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...s-scrutiny-for-swinging-arm-on-waisake-naholo
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The facts are it is extremely soft BUT it is looking like a swinging arm to the head.
Did he mean it? No
Malicious? No
But it is basically an offence to balance the SBW incident. Also the fact the citing commissioner deemed it red card material means it could be a lost case
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I've had time to think about SBWs red card, and the more I think about it, the more ****** off I have become with him. Its not as if he could have gained anything by leading with his shoulder (and getting away with it) , that he would have been able to achieve by wrapping his arms in a proper tackle. Had he done that, and made contact with the head, it might have only been a penalty or at worst, a yellow card. His moment of blind stupidity cost his team dearly.
All elite players must surely realise that rugby at their level is no longer a game officiated by one referee who only gets one look from one angle at full speed. We now have four pairs of eyes watching, one of which sits in a booth and replays suspicious action "the ref missed it so I got away with it" is no longer an axiom.... and the game is better for it IMO.
All elite players must surely realise that rugby at their level is no longer a game officiated by one referee who only gets one look from one angle at full speed. We now have four pairs of eyes watching, one of which sits in a booth and replays suspicious action "the ref missed it so I got away with it" is no longer an axiom.... and the game is better for it IMO.
The interesting part of all of this is, the media controllers at the game, showed this happen to Naholo.... I saw this on the replay during the game... So how did the TMO miss it? One of the Franks brothers did this stuff all the time, got a yellow everytime. But never hit someone hard enough to knock them out.
People that want to talk about "accidental" and "malicious" blahblahblah. SBW never meant to hit Watson like that. Never. But it changed the entire game. And, this had potential to.
Idc about the loss tbh. The game was in the palm of our hand... And Barrett misses straight forward penalties... On an international stage... It couldve been 21-9 to the ABs at one point.. Was poor, Cruden was poor again, kicking the ball away for no reason. And there was a minute and a half left....
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Both deserve a ban. There was likely no malicious intent whatsoever in both cases but these two deserve some time off the field because the fouls were reckless and they've got to work on their discipline. As for SBW, I'd be happy with a permanent ban. Other talented, humble and younger players need to see more ball.
If I was the citing commissioner though, I'd have Vunipola cited too. His dangerous cleanout on Beauden was worth a red card, at least.
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On Seanies it wasn't as reckless but under the laws it's an offence. On Vunipolas I thought he was getting a red and well if ref could hear the TMO that may have been the outcome
I have never agreed with Money Bill being able to work in and out of NZ rugby like he has. And have always suggested we find someone different. Ngatai was meant to be that player, he is such a talent at 12. Hes everything we needed. And head-knocks took him away from us. I hope he finds his way back. I do like Laumape, im happy that hes found his way... I just dont know if he'll be our permanent 12. Needs to work on his in-game tactics, and bring something more than running straight(this is how None started tho).
I thought Vunipola's shoulder charge was very blatent to a player who had rolled away from the ruck. Ball was out and available and the clean out was absolutley unecessary. Vunipola was going for the revenge shot from his previous indiscretion at Barrett. The action alone was red card material when you consider the previous red card handed out. Only difference between the two was the connection between shoulder and head. SBWs hit connected a bit bitter. But is this what it comes down to? How well you connect? A punch is a punch whether it lands or not. Same with a shoulder charge to a head.
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You lot are on drugs he does fully clothes line Naholo. Naholo is out cold before he even hits the ground!!!!
It just doesnt look like as massive a hit because the camera angle is dead on the plane that obrians arm is flying at his chin at. That is a yellow card all day long.
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