Squad Selections

[Cymro]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 12 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Williams is the number 1 wing in the NH.The guy is a shoe in. So what if his defence is not too hot, he can do things in attack others can only dream about.[/b]

The successful Lions teams of the past have picked the best players that fit into the team (look at the Ospreylia experiment at the start of last year for a working example). Not necessarily the best attaching players. Each one brings a surprise or two, and while I think Williams is a class act, being a defensive liability can only be overlooked if he is playing at the top of his game. If he is on top form, I'll be shouting for him to be picked, but just a few weeks ago I was cringing everytime the AB's caught him in posession and turned the ball over in a matter of seconds. Serious flashbacks to the last Lions tour. McGeechan would have been doing the same.

All I'm saying is, he's only a shoe in, if hes on top form.
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Just to nitpick ...

You call Williams defense a liability but when you say he was caught in possession he was a liability I hope you know the difference between attacking and defending because Williams did a better job of defending rather than attacking this AI Tests!

 

[Sir Speedy]

Oh my God.
The fact anyone would try to justify Woodward's crazy selections on the Lions tour is a sad indication of the state of humanity...
Or at least the sanity of some people on this forum.

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Dec 12 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Oh my God.
The fact anyone would try to justify Woodward's crazy selections on the Lions tour is a sad indication of the state of humanity...
Or at least the sanity of some people on this forum. [/b]

:bravo:

:lol:

 

[shazbooger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cymro @ Dec 12 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

You call Williams defense a liability but when you say he was caught in possession he was a liability I hope you know the difference between attacking and defending[/b]

I know your saying this tongue in cheek, but if your going to nitpick, at least acknowledge the rest of my post though eh?

His tackling is sound, as is his cover tackling. I was more looking at the fact that he's brilliant .............................. until he gets caught, swallowed up in a ruck, and turns the ball over. Then the rest of the team is f***ed trying to establish a defensive line while the opposition sythe through the midfield or just kick into the corner he should have been occupying. Either way you end up back inside your 22 and your lucky if you have the ball.

However, all of this I would accept, if he is on form, making breaks and causing the opposition havok. If he aint, then he aint a selection in my eyes.

And on the woodward issue. The idea that Wilkinson, a natural 10, was the best 12 in the four nations at the that time said it all for me. Woodward f***ed up those tour selections beyond all levels of previously f***itup-ness.

 

[danny]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cymro @ Dec 12 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 12 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Biased Quote from Cymro:
In fact he is danny! You are in the wrong here mate whether you take it or not!

History of the Lions dany is something you need to brush upon!

What did Woodward do last Lions Tour ... and what happened?
Factual reply from Danny:
Well Woodward picked a core of English players for the first test and we got thumped then he made wholesale changes and put in some of the Welsh Grand Sham side and we lost by even more points.FACT. I know you wont like this and may even do some silly little Simpsons picture at the bottom of your next post but I have stated a fact not just said something because it backed up my bias.[/b]

Ello Sailor ...

Have I offended you with that Simpons picture ... oh dear <_<

No the fact is danny the last tour was a shambles, Woodward took to many coaches, to many English old players who were past their best, Woodward knew his test side even before going out to NZ so how can he justify that? and only made the changes to the side after the drubbing they had in the first test, and how does a side gel within a week of massive changes? They Don't! Those are all the facts danny boy!

I think your the only one I know who is sort of arguing that the last Lions Tour was a positive one ...
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Where have I said the last Lions tour was a positive one, it was a complete shambles? There you go again making things up just to try to get your point across.

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 12 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cymro @ Dec 12 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 12 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Biased Quote from Cymro:
In fact he is danny! You are in the wrong here mate whether you take it or not!

History of the Lions dany is something you need to brush upon!

What did Woodward do last Lions Tour ... and what happened?
Factual reply from Danny:
Well Woodward picked a core of English players for the first test and we got thumped then he made wholesale changes and put in some of the Welsh Grand Sham side and we lost by even more points.FACT. I know you wont like this and may even do some silly little Simpsons picture at the bottom of your next post but I have stated a fact not just said something because it backed up my bias.[/b]

Ello Sailor ...

Have I offended you with that Simpons picture ... oh dear <_<

No the fact is danny the last tour was a shambles, Woodward took to many coaches, to many English old players who were past their best, Woodward knew his test side even before going out to NZ so how can he justify that? and only made the changes to the side after the drubbing they had in the first test, and how does a side gel within a week of massive changes? They Don't! Those are all the facts danny boy!

I think your the only one I know who is sort of arguing that the last Lions Tour was a positive one ...
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Where have I said the last Lions tour was a positive one, it was a complete shambles? There you go again making things up just to try to get your point across.
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Read the last sentence or is it to hard for you through my 'Welsh accent'? I said sort of arguing ... There you go again jumping over nothing!

 

[gingergenius]

regardless of all the ******** from the 2005 tour, one thing was clear:

The Lions players were not as good as their Kiwi counterparts.

Next year in South Africa, the Lions players still won't be as good whoever they pick. Without wishing to dampen the spirits, the Lions would do amazingly well to win even one test. This would require some serious team gelling and also passion.

Even in 2001 when the Lions had the better players they still lost. The Lions are a highly unsuccesful team... I'm not saying they shouldn't exist or anything like that, but we mustn't have silly expectations.

 

[danny]

That is so true,I have been on the last 3 Lions tours and the South African one was the best obviously because we won. But what you dont get from watching at home is the feeling that every thing is against you especially in SA. The provincial sides will be going out to nobble us at every oppotunity and if its SA refs like last time we get no protection. In fact its amazing that the Lions ever win as they are a scratch side up against the best in the world.

 

[ninjja]

1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Ross Ford
3. Euan Murray
4. POC
5. DOC
6. Ryan Jones
7. John Barclay
8. Andy Powell (if he maintains form he's going to be a beauty)
9. Mike Blair
10. Stephen Jones (Cipriani has dissapointed me :\)
11. Williams
12. Luke Fitzgerald
13. BOD
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Byrne (Without a doubt, basically a shoe in for the Lions)

 

[cyRil]

MAD you are!

 

[danny]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ninjja @ Dec 13 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Ross Ford
3. Euan Murray
4. POC
5. DOC
6. Ryan Jones
7. John Barclay
8. Andy Powell (if he maintains form he's going to be a beauty)
9. Mike Blair
10. Stephen Jones (Cipriani has dissapointed me :\)
11. Williams
12. Luke Fitzgerald
13. BOD
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Byrne (Without a doubt, basically a shoe in for the Lions)[/b]

If that is the test team we might as well f*** off now!

 

[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 13 2008, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ninjja @ Dec 13 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Ross Ford
3. Euan Murray
4. POC
5. DOC
6. Ryan Jones
7. John Barclay
8. Andy Powell (if he maintains form he's going to be a beauty)
9. Mike Blair
10. Stephen Jones (Cipriani has dissapointed me :\)
11. Williams
12. Luke Fitzgerald
13. BOD
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Byrne (Without a doubt, basically a shoe in for the Lions)[/b]

If that is the test team we might as well f*** off now!
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too many irish and scots in there.

Here are the players who put their hands up for selection:

Wales: Gethin Jenkins, Martyn Williams, Andy Powell, Shane Williams, Lee Byrne.

Ireland: Paul O'Connell, David Wallace.

Scotland: Euan Murray, Mike Blair

England: -

Unfortunately that makes 9. For a 15 a side game that means we have 6 positions needing to be filled by players who are either ordinary or off form. Looks ominous.

 

[danny]

If fit Simpson -Daniel could be a surprise choice for the tour, he`s certainly a better player than any of the other wings playing at the moment. But he`ll probably be injured as its an international comp.

 

[jawmalawm24]

I knew there wouldn't be many from the SH posting on this thread so I thought I'd give it a go but from the tours vs All Blacks because that's the only games I watched the outstanding players I saw thou most of you may not agree,were

Shane Williams - Always behind a beaten forward pack but still manages to shine and he deserves his IRB player of the year.
Martyn Williams - He's a good tackler, good with ball in hand and scrounges for the ball at the rucks.
Paul O'Connell - I've always rated this guy if only he could stop being a knuckle head around the rucks and stop getting pinged he'd go alot better.
Peter Stringer - Has awesome passing ability and is always there to throw the ball out of the ruck.
Delon Armitage - Nice positioning and with a bit more experience he could become a very usefull fullback for the future
James Haskell - I thought he was alright against the All Blacks thou he was up against a tought loose trio I think he stood his ground
Chris Patterson - Been around for a little while now experience is something that just can't be taught

I'm just gonnna watch the Grand Slam Tour on Dvd right now starting with Scotland than probably Ireland, England, Wales and than Munster. If I come up with anymore I'll let yous know

 

[Sir Speedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jawmalawm24 @ Dec 14 2008, 04:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I knew there wouldn't be many from the SH posting on this thread so I thought I'd give it a go but from the tours vs All Blacks because that's the only games I watched the outstanding players I saw thou most of you may not agree,were

Shane Williams - Always behind a beaten forward pack but still manages to shine and he deserves his IRB player of the year.
Martyn Williams - He's a good tackler, good with ball in hand and scrounges for the ball at the rucks.
Paul O'Connell - I've always rated this guy if only he could stop being a knuckle head around the rucks and stop getting pinged he'd go alot better.
Peter Stringer - Has awesome passing ability and is always there to throw the ball out of the ruck.
Delon Armitage - Nice positioning and with a bit more experience he could become a very usefull fullback for the future
James Haskell - I thought he was alright against the All Blacks thou he was up against a tought loose trio I think he stood his ground
Chris Patterson - Been around for a little while now experience is something that just can't be taught

I'm just gonnna watch the Grand Slam Tour on Dvd right now starting with Scotland than probably Ireland, England, Wales and than Munster. If I come up with anymore I'll let yous know[/b]

O LORD! Watch that DVD pronto!

 

[jawmalawm24]

I tried to name players from all the countries so I had to just throw some names in there. The best thou was when Munster winger Barry Murphy went in to score the only try against the All Blacks during the whole Grand Slam Tour.

It didn't come to me until today that throughout the whole tour none of the home side except for Munster scored a try against the All Blacks. England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland all failed to cross the line thou they threatened only Munster managed it so I think a few of their players should be considered.

 

[cyRil]

Well if Wales, England or Ireland had played the same NZ side that Munster played, I think there may have been a better chance of tries being scored...

 

[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Dec 15 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Well if Wales, England or Ireland had played the same NZ side that Munster played, I think there may have been a better chance of tries being scored...[/b]

are you saying scotland aren't good at scoring tries? with a lamont in their backline? sacrelige.

 

[shazbooger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Dec 15 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Well if Wales, England or Ireland had played the same NZ side that Munster played, I think there may have been a better chance of tries being scored...[/b]

Maybe, then again ....................... maybe Munster have something a little special.

I hate to think it, but its probably the latter.

 

[Sir Speedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 15 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Dec 15 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well if Wales, England or Ireland had played the same NZ side that Munster played, I think there may have been a better chance of tries being scored...[/b]

are you saying scotland aren't good at scoring tries? with a lamont in their backline? sacrelige.
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Ye all, come forth! - let's burn him at the stake.