Squad Selections

[danny]

He`s never been favoured on any of the tours he went on for good reason. Lions tests are always backs to the walls games and Williams for all his attributes is not suited to to this. Reputations are made and broken on Lions tours and Williams contribution has always been minimal.

 

[Sir Speedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 8 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

which is why I still keep Sackey in the frame, because on top of his game he shits on all of them apart from obviously Shane Williams.[/b]

Ugh...
Makes me cringe that Sackey is likely to start, now that Lamont's out of the picture...

 

[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

You`ve got to be a real fighter on a Lions tour thats why Williams has never been a test player for them. Like I said hes great with ball in hand on the front foot but you need more to be a Lions 7.[/b]

if you're only going to pick 'real fighters' then we're up **** creek; our best players atm are pansies with fake tans.

In all seriousness though, Williams is a class act. He's exactly the type of 7 you need - he has that incredible ability to appear in every ruck and win the ball/ slow it down for the opposition. He's been the best 7 in Europe ever since Richard Hill gave up international rugby; and if you remember Williams was first choice for the Lions after Hill got injured.

Rory Lamont really isn't all that, can someone tell me what he's achieved that makes him so good, compared to Tommy Bowe who looks the most impressive 14 atm. Incidentally, I do think that whoever plays at 14 will not exactly have had to earn a place in the same way you would at scrum half or in the back row. Bowe, Jones and Sackey are all in the frame, all decent players, none will scare the Boks too much. I'm waiting on Thom Evans and Halfpenny in the 6 Nations, they could have crackers and put themselves right up there. More experience for them and they could be the sort to worry the boks...

 

[Sir Speedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 11 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Rory Lamont really isn't all that, can someone tell me what he's achieved that makes him so good[/b]

Lots of players have achieved little, and have still been great players...
He was class at the World Cup, from the games I saw him play, and he's been great for Sale up 'til now.
Pretty crappy timing for him to get injured... Again.

 

[danny]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 11 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You`ve got to be a real fighter on a Lions tour thats why Williams has never been a test player for them. Like I said hes great with ball in hand on the front foot but you need more to be a Lions 7.[/b]

if you're only going to pick 'real fighters' then we're up **** creek; our best players atm are pansies with fake tans.

In all seriousness though, Williams is a class act. He's exactly the type of 7 you need - he has that incredible ability to appear in every ruck and win the ball/ slow it down for the opposition. He's been the best 7 in Europe ever since Richard Hill gave up international rugby; and if you remember Williams was first choice for the Lions after Hill got injured.

Rory Lamont really isn't all that, can someone tell me what he's achieved that makes him so good, compared to Tommy Bowe who looks the most impressive 14 atm. Incidentally, I do think that whoever plays at 14 will not exactly have had to earn a place in the same way you would at scrum half or in the back row. Bowe, Jones and Sackey are all in the frame, all decent players, none will scare the Boks too much. I'm waiting on Thom Evans and Halfpenny in the 6 Nations, they could have crackers and put themselves right up there. More experience for them and they could be the sort to worry the boks...
[/b][/quote]
sorry but he`s not the type of player you describe at all. Also to say you dont need fighters in a Lions test match shows you know very little about the History of the Lions.

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 11 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You`ve got to be a real fighter on a Lions tour thats why Williams has never been a test player for them. Like I said hes great with ball in hand on the front foot but you need more to be a Lions 7.[/b]

if you're only going to pick 'real fighters' then we're up **** creek; our best players atm are pansies with fake tans.

In all seriousness though, Williams is a class act. He's exactly the type of 7 you need - he has that incredible ability to appear in every ruck and win the ball/ slow it down for the opposition. He's been the best 7 in Europe ever since Richard Hill gave up international rugby; and if you remember Williams was first choice for the Lions after Hill got injured.

Rory Lamont really isn't all that, can someone tell me what he's achieved that makes him so good, compared to Tommy Bowe who looks the most impressive 14 atm. Incidentally, I do think that whoever plays at 14 will not exactly have had to earn a place in the same way you would at scrum half or in the back row. Bowe, Jones and Sackey are all in the frame, all decent players, none will scare the Boks too much. I'm waiting on Thom Evans and Halfpenny in the 6 Nations, they could have crackers and put themselves right up there. More experience for them and they could be the sort to worry the boks...
[/b][/quote]
sorry but he`s not the type of player you describe at all. Also to say you dont need fighters in a Lions test match shows you know very little about the History of the Lions.
[/b][/quote]

In fact he is danny! You are in the wrong here mate whether you take it or not!

History of the Lions dany is something you need to brush upon!

What did Woodward do last Lions Tour ... and what happened?

 

[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 11 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You`ve got to be a real fighter on a Lions tour thats why Williams has never been a test player for them. Like I said hes great with ball in hand on the front foot but you need more to be a Lions 7.[/b]

if you're only going to pick 'real fighters' then we're up **** creek; our best players atm are pansies with fake tans.

In all seriousness though, Williams is a class act. He's exactly the type of 7 you need - he has that incredible ability to appear in every ruck and win the ball/ slow it down for the opposition. He's been the best 7 in Europe ever since Richard Hill gave up international rugby; and if you remember Williams was first choice for the Lions after Hill got injured.

Rory Lamont really isn't all that, can someone tell me what he's achieved that makes him so good, compared to Tommy Bowe who looks the most impressive 14 atm. Incidentally, I do think that whoever plays at 14 will not exactly have had to earn a place in the same way you would at scrum half or in the back row. Bowe, Jones and Sackey are all in the frame, all decent players, none will scare the Boks too much. I'm waiting on Thom Evans and Halfpenny in the 6 Nations, they could have crackers and put themselves right up there. More experience for them and they could be the sort to worry the boks...
[/b][/quote]
sorry but he`s not the type of player you describe at all. Also to say you dont need fighters in a Lions test match shows you know very little about the History of the Lions.
[/b][/quote]

The history of the Lions says they usually lose whoever they pick.

What, Lamont scores tries against Romania and Portugal and that makes a good world cup? I thought Sackey was awful because he's only scored against islanders, argentines and 6 nations teams...

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 11 2008, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 11 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 11 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You`ve got to be a real fighter on a Lions tour thats why Williams has never been a test player for them. Like I said hes great with ball in hand on the front foot but you need more to be a Lions 7.[/b]

if you're only going to pick 'real fighters' then we're up **** creek; our best players atm are pansies with fake tans.

In all seriousness though, Williams is a class act. He's exactly the type of 7 you need - he has that incredible ability to appear in every ruck and win the ball/ slow it down for the opposition. He's been the best 7 in Europe ever since Richard Hill gave up international rugby; and if you remember Williams was first choice for the Lions after Hill got injured.

Rory Lamont really isn't all that, can someone tell me what he's achieved that makes him so good, compared to Tommy Bowe who looks the most impressive 14 atm. Incidentally, I do think that whoever plays at 14 will not exactly have had to earn a place in the same way you would at scrum half or in the back row. Bowe, Jones and Sackey are all in the frame, all decent players, none will scare the Boks too much. I'm waiting on Thom Evans and Halfpenny in the 6 Nations, they could have crackers and put themselves right up there. More experience for them and they could be the sort to worry the boks...
[/b][/quote]
sorry but he`s not the type of player you describe at all. Also to say you dont need fighters in a Lions test match shows you know very little about the History of the Lions.
[/b][/quote]

The history of the Lions says they usually lose whoever they pick.

What, Lamont scores tries against Romania and Portugal and that makes a good world cup? I thought Sackey was awful because he's only scored against islanders, argentines and 6 nations teams...


[/b][/quote]

Lamont has pace when hes fit and I reckon it would have between Bowe / R.Lamont for who started for the Lions!

 

[Incredible Schalk]

Yea im pretty dissapointed Rory Lamont got injured again, he's been scoring alot recently but the physical way of spinning out of tackles he has makes him injury prone. Tommy Bowe runs good lines, deceptive strength and knows where the tryline is. So at the moment he should be 14, of course it all changes week to week really. Jones and Sackey would offer very little against a team as big as the Springboks, not physically strong enough imo.

 

[dullonien]

There's certainly a shirt up for grabs on the wing for a player that performs in the HC/6 Nations. The one thing Mark Jones has going for him is his phenomenal defensive capabilities, by far the best defensive winger going round. But he's really lacking in his try scoring, not that he doesn't make runs etc. just very rarely finds the tryline.

My outside bet is Tom James, has all the atributes to be a very good winger (maybe we can combine Tom James and Halfpenny and create the ultimate winger?)

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dullonien @ Dec 12 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

There's certainly a shirt up for grabs on the wing for a player that performs in the HC/6 Nations. The one thing Mark Jones has going for him is his phenomenal defensive capabilities, by far the best defensive winger going round. But he's really lacking in his try scoring, not that he doesn't make runs etc. just very rarely finds the tryline.

My outside bet is Tom James, has all the atributes to be a very good winger (maybe we can combine Tom James and Halfpenny and create the ultimate winger?)[/b]

The main problem with Tom James is his fitness, the bloke is class but is always injured which is a shame because had he been fit then Halfpeeny probably would not of had a shot at the Welsh Jersey!

On another note, if Scotland keep on improving then there will be more Scots going than the last few tours!

 

[shazbooger]

I dont know, every now and then I get a bit pished with the grand assumptions from the Welsh that "this Welsh Player" or "That Welsh Player" are guaranteed their place. It simply isnt the case. Neither Williams (S or M), Jones (R or S) or anywhere close to being guaranteed a position. Henson hasnt played first class rugby in what seems like years, he is miles away from selection.

The only players that really impressed me of late have been Powell and Byrne at fullback, Blair at 9, Wallace at 6, 7 or 8. Outside of that I dont see anyone really putting their hands up (including O'Driscoll, O'Connell, Heaslip, Fitzgerald etc).

 

[danny]

Biased Quote from Cymro:
In fact he is danny! You are in the wrong here mate whether you take it or not!

History of the Lions dany is something you need to brush upon!

What did Woodward do last Lions Tour ... and what happened?
Factual reply from Danny:
Well Woodward picked a core of English players for the first test and we got thumped then he made wholesale changes and put in some of the Welsh Grand Sham side and we lost by even more points.FACT. I know you wont like this and may even do some silly little Simpsons picture at the bottom of your next post but I have stated a fact not just said something because it backed up my bias.

 

[cyRil]

Shane Williams isn't guaranteed a place? :huh:

 

[danny]

Williams is the number 1 wing in the NH.The guy is a shoe in. So what if his defence is not too hot, he can do things in attack others can only dream about.

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 12 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Biased Quote from Cymro:
In fact he is danny! You are in the wrong here mate whether you take it or not!

History of the Lions dany is something you need to brush upon!

What did Woodward do last Lions Tour ... and what happened?
Factual reply from Danny:
Well Woodward picked a core of English players for the first test and we got thumped then he made wholesale changes and put in some of the Welsh Grand Sham side and we lost by even more points.FACT. I know you wont like this and may even do some silly little Simpsons picture at the bottom of your next post but I have stated a fact not just said something because it backed up my bias.[/b]

Ello Sailor ...

Have I offended you with that Simpons picture ... oh dear <_<

No the fact is danny the last tour was a shambles, Woodward took to many coaches, to many English old players who were past their best, Woodward knew his test side even before going out to NZ so how can he justify that? and only made the changes to the side after the drubbing they had in the first test, and how does a side gel within a week of massive changes? They Don't! Those are all the facts danny boy!

I think your the only one I know who is sort of arguing that the last Lions Tour was a positive one ...

 

[danny]

Did you not read my last post.We lost by more in the 2nd test. So Woodwards original selection was proved to be the right one. Jesus its like trying to educate pork!!!!!

 

[cyRil]

Alright boys, take a chill pill anolthat!

 

[shazbooger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 12 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Williams is the number 1 wing in the NH.The guy is a shoe in. So what if his defence is not too hot, he can do things in attack others can only dream about.[/b]

The successful Lions teams of the past have picked the best players that fit into the team (look at the Ospreylia experiment at the start of last year for a working example). Not necessarily the best attaching players. Each one brings a surprise or two, and while I think Williams is a class act, being a defensive liability can only be overlooked if he is playing at the top of his game. If he is on top form, I'll be shouting for him to be picked, but just a few weeks ago I was cringing everytime the AB's caught him in posession and turned the ball over in a matter of seconds. Serious flashbacks to the last Lions tour. McGeechan would have been doing the same.

All I'm saying is, he's only a shoe in, if hes on top form.

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Dec 12 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Did you not read my last post.We lost by more in the 2nd test. So Woodwards original selection was proved to be the right one. Jesus its like trying to educate pork!!!!![/b]

Just looked through the teams and there were far more English players than Welsh players in any of of the sides

Go there and check

http://www.lionsrugby.com/history/matcharchive.php

danny you are like pork you dont understand do you mate the last tour was a shambles because Woodward took his mates on tour instead of thinking who was in form! Dont matter if they were Welsh, Scottish or Irish Woodward for a fact took to many of his mates down under!

How can you justify Woodwards selection when he lost all three tests ...

danny you are digging a hole for yourself! Woodward cant justify aything because he lost all 3 tests!