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Should Robshaw Captain England?

I was watching out for Robshaw as well - played like a 6 and even scrummed down on the blindside too
Not sure why they didn't just give him the 6 shirt? :p

I didn't notice that latter detail, but I did notice Quins did seem to be playing more left and right than open and blind in terms of duties. Which, fair enough, if you want a specialist 7 at 7, isn't what you want to see. Ironically, I think Robshaw actually needs to slow down and stop chucking himself at everything slightly from a 7 point of view. If you want that turnover, then you need to pick your moment, which often means standing out of a ruck and lurking close to where you think the next one will be.

Still, Quins got smashed up top. I said Robson's name partly because I rate him, partly because I'm curious the Quins fan didn't mention him, but he didn't have a great day at the office, which is the same for a lot of Quins forwards (although I'm surprise and pleased the Quins scrum didn't get butt****ed). There isn't a lot any 7 can do if you're on the spot to clear up attacking ball (which Robshaw was a lot, he performed the role better in attack than defense where he was definitley more 6-like) and there's two or three of them waiting and no one to help you. That's a pack failing, not an openside failing.

Me, I'd still consider him for 7, but would want to see more before the 6N - and if he's not 7, then it's definitley 'Your Move Croft' after that performance.

Unfortunately, I can't see a way to get Mike Brown and Ben Foden into the same team. Which is slightly gutting.

That's not his job though, surely?
That should have been the blindside flanker - the openside is supposed to be at every ruck stealing ball/causing a nuisance

In attack the openside should be on the ballcarrier's shoulder as often as possible, which he frequently was.

However, what he's doing in attack shouldn't really impact what he's doing in defence, so I don't see how its relevant.

Although, because I'm feeling pedantic, an openside can't be at every ruck. He just won't make a difference if he is. He needs to pick and choose to an extent, and look for people getting isolated (Tolouse didn't make that mistake nearly as often as Quins). To a large extent, he is reliant on his other back row members not being anonymous at the breakdown (paging Nick Easter...) slowing ball up in the tight to let him cover the wider channels. Which Robshaw wasn't doing. Plus the 7 should also be looking to do a lot of disruptive and destructive tackling around the fringes, which he did a fine job of.
 
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You'd be looking at Mike Brown vs Delon Armitage for the 23 shirt (anyone but Banahan :lol:) - Armitage has been pushed to to, almost, his best by competing with Foden, introduce Brown to the mix as well and we might have three quality fullbacks spurring each other on
 
You'd be looking at Mike Brown vs Delon Armitage for the 23 shirt (anyone but Banahan :lol:) - Armitage has been pushed to to, almost, his best by competing with Foden, introduce Brown to the mix as well and we might have three quality fullbacks spurring each other on

I'm not certain I can even put Brown in the 23 shirt. He doesn't cover a range of positions as well as Armitage and Foden is probably the last player I'd take off in a test match of my own free will. Right now, only Armitage or Tait if he ever stops being crocked and starts being good again gives me the range of cover I want to see in a 23 jersey. Although I'm watching Jonny May with great interest.

I'd start Brown ahead of Armitage for the 15 shirt though, as things stand. Although I'll admit to a slight bias here - Armitage's discipline record is appalling for his position, and it means in narrow calls I will always back the other man until I think Armitage has grown up.
 
Fair points - also, if we see Freddie Burns coming into the England squad then he's played a fair bit of FB, so you could have 22. Burns (Flyhalf/Fullback) 23. A.N Other (wing/centre)
 
Fair points - also, if we see Freddie Burns coming into the England squad then he's played a fair bit of FB, so you could have 22. Burns (Flyhalf/Fullback) 23. A.N Other (wing/centre)

Right, although covering inside centre can often be tricky in such situations. I also find that fly-half and full-back are such pivotal, not for the novice positions, that I feel uncomfortable with one man covering both jersies. So I'd still want 23 to cover full-back...

Is this a good time to mention again what a fan of Jonny May's skillset I am? :p
 
23. A.N Other (wing/centre)
...or put centre/flyhalf in there and call up Olly Barkley. ;)

I'm optimistic about this England management and I think we could finally see the right players picked. Robshaw looks like he could do the business and I think it is now between him and Wood to get the captaincy sorted... it's just a shame we haven't had any Autumn internationals to try out new players that were missed entirely under MJ.
 
I'd love to see Barkley make it internationally - I think he should have been in the squad after the Aussie tour last year where he played well in the midweek matched, but then he got dropped from the EPS and didn't even make the Saxons!

I'd be surprised if he got called up, and I think his time has now passed in an England shirt


Normally I do prefer 22 = 10/12 cover, 23 = wing/fullback cover

I, too, like Jonny May - ridiculously quick, and very talented
Gloucester know how to make their backs, with Trinder, May, Sharples and Burns all, hopefully, pushing for selection (though Burns came through the Bath academy, I believe?)
 
I'd be surprised if he got called up, and I think his time has now passed in an England shirt

I, too, like Jonny May - ridiculously quick, and very talented
Gloucester know how to make their backs, with Trinder, May, Sharples and Burns all, hopefully, pushing for selection (though Burns came through the Bath academy, I believe?)

I think, unfortunately, Olly's time has indeed passed... the word in Bath circles is that he managed to pee off the England management so they binned him completely.

As for Glaws' backs if there was any club to base your English backline off it would be glaws, with May, Burns, Morgan, Trinder, SinBad and Sharples. Burns was a Bath boy but left because he hated the training facilties so much apparently, at the time they were completely shite in fairness.
 
Gloucester know how to make their backs, with Trinder, May, Sharples and Burns all, hopefully, pushing for selection (though Burns came through the Bath academy, I believe?)
It's a shame that the same can't really be said about our forwards. :/

As for Glaws' backs if there was any club to base your English backline off it would be glaws, with May, Burns, Morgan, Trinder, SinBad and Sharples. Burns was a Bath boy but left because he hated the training facilties so much apparently, at the time they were completely shite in fairness.
Don't forget Tindall. :p

A commentator was saying that Burns is out of his contract at the end of this year. I will be gutted if he doesn't stay. Not sure where he'd move though, since most of the top English teams have a decent 10 in place.
 
Hardly, with the exception of David Seymour, who I want the recognition he deserves ;), who exactly do I go on about?

Chris Robshaw?
Billy Twelvetrees?
Freddie Burns/Charlie Sharples?
 
Ah, would love him to come to Sale but:
a) I think he recently re-signed for Leicester (for some reason)
b) All our centres are in contract and we've got too many (to the extent that we've already shipped off Kyle Tonetti and Jordan Davies to Connacht and Leeds, respectively, as they weren't getting any time)
 
agree with most of what psychic duck said. Brown is awesome atm, but Foden is too good to drop, and although with no Foden I'd pick him, I'd rather have Armitage on the bench than Brown.

No, Easter should not be selected in the 6N.
 
I bloody hope he isn't - I fear he might though, as they'll see him as the "experience" in the pack, as the likes of Moody, Thompson and Shaw won't be around and the rest are fairly young

Care is on good form atm - having Youngs around has really spurred him on (I was really surprised to see he was only 23, I thought he was much older, feels like he's been around for ages!) - Care does better behind a beaten pack than Youngs as well, so would consider having him as first choice for the first 6N match, with Youngs/Simpson fighting for the bench
 
Ladies, it's so simple.

We stick Tim Payne in the 7 shirt...
 
In an ideal world, Easter would be dropped.

I'm pretty certain he won't be. Which I can just about live with.

Pick Narraway. Or, at the risk of restarting the argument, Robshaw's played 8 a few times... :p
 

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