completely Ireland's fault they lost that tbh, i would like to see weir start for Scotland against wales he seemed alot mroe lively and caused more danger when he came on not to mention his tactical kicking wasalot better and maybe Lamont dropped, hopefully get abit more ball out to the talented wingers
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I gave Court a five he did good work and the scrum was bad on Ross' side. Best threw numerous bad balls to the line out in attacking areas of the pitch, whatever about having one bad one four or five is criminal. You might say "but that's only one aspect of his game" but it's a pretty damn important one and he failed there today. Ross was bad at scrum time in the first half and he offers **** all else so they're fair.
Murray is way too slow for international rugby, his kicks are too long 9 times out of ten, he offered no support to a debutante out half and he panics an awful lot and shovels s**te into unexpecting forwards arms regularly and he did all that today. Him and Earls were our worst starters.
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They're not really fair again you're getting emotional when did I mention Court?
1 is the worst possible performance you can have. Did Murray have that? No. Was Best only marginally above the worst possible performance? Again no. Were either of them good? No. They performed poorly but not as badly as you're making out a 3 for Murray and a 4 for Best IMO.
Also as a scrumhalf wtf do you know about scrummaging? Ross wasn't great their today but not terrible also did do some stuff in the loose to day. Bit more moderation instead of extremism please.
The inability of the great and good of rugby to see that O'Gara's done is one of the most baffling things I've seen in some time. Players of his style are largely done for, his body's done for. Sad to see him flogged like this.
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Sorry thought you meant 1, 2 and 3 as in the front row but that statement is even more ridiculous, I shouldn't give a player a 1, 2 or 3 because it can be perceived as emotional???? even when they deserve it.
I'm sorry but Best was bad today he threw away possible points as much as Earls did and he wasn't good around the park.
As a prop you won't understand this but Murray was painfully slow, kicked poorly and panicked and shoveled the ball in any direction possible today, he couldn't control the team camped in the oppositions five and was extremely bad today.
And it looked pretty clear to me that Ross and Best were giving those penalties away in the scrum and when he carried he trundled a few steps towards the back of the ruck and fell over putting Ireland under pressure.
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You really are slow aren't you. Making your ratings so soon after the match has quite clearly affected your judgement you hate Earls and Murray and have never hid that your also so stubborn you'll keep arguing your point of view even when/though you realise you're wrong.
Did Murray or Earls have the worst game possibly imaginable? Answer me that. I'm not saying they could be perceived as emotional but that they quite clearly are they didn't deserve those values, low ones yes but not that low.
Like your attempt at getting the dig back at me but think it's pretty poor. Scrummaging is something many have difficulty understanding scrumhalf play isn't. I know Murray was shite he just didn't play the worst game imaginable.
Also how does falling over when carryingput your team under pressure? If that's true you need to mark down every single player...ever.
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Wonderful win for the Scots.
I can`t help but sense that Ireland are entering an English type fallow period now, Keith Wood`s and others point about Ireland having stored up problems as regards the succession of both the coach and the 'golden generation' is a good one in my view. The performances of the untried and untested Paddy Jackson and a reliance on the busted flush ROG is a case in point.
I can`t help but sense that Ireland are entering an English type fallow period now, Keith Wood`s and others point about Ireland having stored up problems as regards the succession of both the coach and the 'golden generation' is a good one in my view. The performances of the untried and untested Paddy Jackson and a reliance on the busted flush ROG is a case in point.
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You just called me stubborn, I need to get one of Olyy's frogs. There's a difference between me thinking I'm wrong and you thinking I'm wrong.
Earls threw away 10 easy points which came after his only two positives of the game and they more then cancelled him out, he didn't do anything else well so he didn't gain anything on my points scale.
Murray was incredibly bad, had a good scrum half like Ben Youngs, Will Genia etc... had that game they would have got a one, give me the positives of his game today.
There's a difference between falling over and getting tackled also which of Ireland's players were at fault at scrum time for those penalties.
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Some people may differ on this but I think he only threw away or rather didn't throw away 5 points. With the first one I think if he'd thrown the offload it wouldn't have worked out his arms were in an awkward position and he was being gripped by the tackler. But Please finally tell me the answer to the question I've been asking you was that the worst performance you've ever seen or can imagine.
Please drill this into your skull. I have never once said they played well just that they didn't give the worst performance possible.
Ross carries were important and were mainly cleaning up mistakes. Please show me the scrums and I'll tell you whos at fault. Not as if it was Ross for every one and it's not the props fault alone those behind him must ship some blame.
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I am beginning to hate this but I agree again...............I also felt Murray had a pretty good game but then, I suppose, it is easy to take nearly an armchair ride
Not sure about the first Earls one. Think if he was looking for support he might have found BOD, but maybe not. Once tackled he was right to keep it, the faffing around and Conor Murray deciding to go for glory than release the backs were the issues that cost the try beyond that. Second one was awful.
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Not true. We went through a lot of coaches and players between then and now. I do not believe Ireland will have to do the same though - but may well do.
edit: And, thinking about it, the golden generation is largely gone and Ireland are already in a fallow period, just no one's talked much about it. No reason it has to go on much longer though.
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You forget...England had to put up with Robinson and then Johnson before they found what looks like - yet to be proved but looking good - a good one!!
Ireland may well go straight to their best option when they finally have a "kidney" transplant........Conor O'Shea if they can afford him?!!
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I pretty sure O'Shea said no, which is a shame.
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Where'd you hear that?
F**k me... there is some amount of sh!te in this thread.
Ireland dominate possession and territory, the backline make a load of line breaks... but its the starting 10 that gets it 'cos he missed a penalty and conversion from the touchline against his foot. As soon as Hamilton and Keyes started bumming and blowing about Radge warming up, my head was in my hands.
Once more Radge comes on.... and people at the time were thinking it was the right move?!? When have they last seen Radge play a good game? 2012? I certainly can't remember much in the way of good performances after 2011...
Many of the same problems come back to haunt Ireland as before[1], yet DeClown can't see it. In fairness, some inconsistent problems came back and new problems emerged in this match[2].
[1]
- Murray far too slow. Reddan sped things up nicely when he came on. Unfortunately he had to work with a very poor half-back partner in:
- Radge. No business in professional rugby anymore.
- Earls has no peripheral vision. He simply cannot be counted on to keep a move going. I don't believe this is a problem that can be coached around (especially at his age) - you either have awareness, or you don't. Unfortunately, he doesn't.
- POM cannot carry very well, cannot tackle very well and cannot ruck very well. Henderson did more in 5 mins than POM did in 70.
[2]
- Wobbly lineout. Best had a great lineout in 2011, it has been slipping for Ulster and Ireland lately and went to pieces today. Unsympathetic calls definitely didn't help. The lineout callers/jumpers must bear much of the blame too.
- Rob Kearney is left footed. When booting down the right touchline for penalties, give Rob Kearney the ball. Not rocket science.
Ireland dominate possession and territory, the backline make a load of line breaks... but its the starting 10 that gets it 'cos he missed a penalty and conversion from the touchline against his foot. As soon as Hamilton and Keyes started bumming and blowing about Radge warming up, my head was in my hands.
Once more Radge comes on.... and people at the time were thinking it was the right move?!? When have they last seen Radge play a good game? 2012? I certainly can't remember much in the way of good performances after 2011...
Many of the same problems come back to haunt Ireland as before[1], yet DeClown can't see it. In fairness, some inconsistent problems came back and new problems emerged in this match[2].
[1]
- Murray far too slow. Reddan sped things up nicely when he came on. Unfortunately he had to work with a very poor half-back partner in:
- Radge. No business in professional rugby anymore.
- Earls has no peripheral vision. He simply cannot be counted on to keep a move going. I don't believe this is a problem that can be coached around (especially at his age) - you either have awareness, or you don't. Unfortunately, he doesn't.
- POM cannot carry very well, cannot tackle very well and cannot ruck very well. Henderson did more in 5 mins than POM did in 70.
[2]
- Wobbly lineout. Best had a great lineout in 2011, it has been slipping for Ulster and Ireland lately and went to pieces today. Unsympathetic calls definitely didn't help. The lineout callers/jumpers must bear much of the blame too.
- Rob Kearney is left footed. When booting down the right touchline for penalties, give Rob Kearney the ball. Not rocket science.
If he did (and I am by no means sure he did)... Eric Elwood would be a decent man to have in. Firm believer in "if you are good enough, you are old enough".
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