[November Tests 2017 EOYT] England vs. Australia (18/11/2017)

[TRF_Olyy]

Oz were unlucky they didn't get a fair shout from O'Keeffe, nothing really to get exited about in the England performance or indeed to be worried about as an opposition supporter.

Didn't you say I'd be laughing out the other side of my face after the spanking we were gonna get from Aus?
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[Ragey Erasmus]

Didn't you say I'd be laughing out the other side of my face after the spanking we were gonna get from Aus?
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Never mind, wales have nothing to worry about. I mean beating Australia isn't really much of an achievement is it? Everyone is doing it these days. I mean winning in the final few minutes doesn't actually count does it? We may as well make it a 70 minute game because nothing after that matters.

 

[Every Time Ref]

That's actually his role in the defence, it's the same at Sarries with their defence.
He rushes the 1st receiver to either get the big hit or force a rushed (And hopefully wrong) decision. It often doesn't look good on the stats but he's very effective at it.

It is his role and I agree on the stats sometimes being misleading, but that doesn't mean he can't be criticised for getting it wrong. He definitely misjudged the one in the lead up to the Hooper non-try, and from memory I thought there were a couple of others he got wrong. It's a difficult job though, I wouldn't want to sound over critical.

England defence was good, and although I do think we were pretty unconvincing in attack for most of the match, the gameplan was the right one and pretty well-executed. The Aussie possession stats are not an indicator of dominating, like always when the weather is like that it's better to be without the ball.

However England do need to improve big time. We really should have done more with the ball we did have, and should have put them to the sword during the combined sinbin period especially. There were too many bad decisions in my opinion, Itoje getting a lot of plaudits for a good game but he straight up cost us a try with extremely poor decision making (not sure about JJ's contribution to that passage either, felt maybe he was lagging behind rather than staying flatter and offering Maro the easy short pass).

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Pretty much the only concession I'd make on the refereeing of this game is that on another day some of the big decisions could have gone the other way. I think its fair to feel, if you're an Australia supporter, that you didn't really get too much luck with the big calls.
But that doesn't make them wrong though.

 

[Goodey]

Pretty much the only concession I'd make on the refereeing of this game is that on another day some of the big decisions could have gone the other way. I think its fair to feel, if you're an Australia supporter, that you didn't really get too much luck with the big calls.
But that doesn't make them wrong though.

What a weak concession it is though. 'If we score enough illegal tries maybe we can expect to actually get given one of them'.

When you believe that every call made against you is a matter of bad luck, as oppose to a result of your side infringing, you are bound to feel hard done to. You'd think the coaching team might try to put in some work to do to ensure that Australia don't infringe so much, but the coach is too busy visibly throwing a strop on TV to signal that it was really just this ref all along.

It's getting kind of tiring to play Australia, they either win or they make damn sure you can't enjoy it. Crap really.

 

[ncurd]

I dunno I'm enjoying beating them 5 times on the bounce.

 

[valley commando]

Didn't you say I'd be laughing out the other side of my face after the spanking we were gonna get from Aus?
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I certainly did. I bet you have a massive grin on both sides of your face now

 

[Jaguares]

This was the biggest steal I've ever seen, 2 clearly tries for Australia and a suspicious try for England. This is disgusting, international rugby is becoming an unfair sport like football soccer.

 

[TommiG88]

This was the biggest steal I've ever seen, 2 clearly tries for Australia and a suspicious try for England. This is disgusting, international rugby is becoming an unfair sport like football soccer.

Ummm, it's called football you fool.

 

[Pom in Exile]

This was the biggest steal I've ever seen, 2 clearly tries for Australia and a suspicious try for England. This is disgusting, international rugby is becoming an unfair sport like football soccer.

Finally, we have an impartial observer to tell us how it is, thank you.
I actually now feel embarrassed that we beat them by 24 points.

 

[ThebigARena]

Some pretty horrifying officiating this weekend in all matches these 50/50 TMO calls are inconsistent and in danger of ruining the game . I feel for Australia it cost them the game ,similiary it almost cost us the game against Georgia (Amos 2nd try being called back after being awarded) . The saes run out decent winners but it could of been so different ala Scotland v NZ.

 

[Jaguares]

Ummm, it's called football you fool.

Yeah, in my country too. But I respect people from all around the world so if an Aussie or a Canadian read this post, for them is called soccer. Moron

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I dunno I'm enjoying beating them 5 times on the bounce.

Lovely little thing I just discovered, Australia's record is 4 games on the bounce against us so we have beaten that too now

Ah now we got the "impartial" Argies wading in. I suppose us beating you was also a disgrace? You know what actually is a disgrace? Attitudes like yours who feel any time anything goes England's way it can ONLY be through foul play. Disagree? Tell me a single win England have had under Jones where you don't feel we were lucky, bought the ref, got the rub of the green, needed foreign players to win or cheated? Go on. Now compare that to how many you don't think we won purely on merit.

My guess is of our 20 odd wins you will be able to count all the ones you thought we won fair and square with no excuses on 1 hand

 

[AM_Bokke]

Just watched this game.

I am not sure that Aus played that well in the first 60/65 min. I think that England were pretty comfortable most of the game and then it broke open for them.

But man, those TMO decisions.

I would have liked for the officials to have checked if the winger played Hooper onside. It looked very close to me. A try there would have made an impact on the game.

I personally thought that the ball was on white for Daily's try, but whatever. I am cool with exciting tries being awarded. I think that England created more of the exciting play throughout the match.

And I think that the Moore obstruction was very harsh. Not unreasonable but very harsh. Moore did want to catch the ball and score himself but his teammate beat him to it. He did make a little grab but I don't think it was much. There also wasn't anywhere for him to go. Very harsh decision.

O'Keife needs a rest. I don't think that his two games were "bad" per say but I feel like he allowed Murray and Sexton last week and Farrell this week to take advantage of his inexperience. Bad look for World Rugby.

I think that next week will really tell us where Australia is at. I stated that I found them underwhelming after the Rugby Chnapionship and that they would tire on tour. If they beat Scotland next week I will happily eat my words. If they lose I will pat myself on the back.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Not a single yellow card for England? After roughly the same infringements and the late hit? yeah sure nice consistent ref.

 

[ncurd]

Man the ignorance on this thread....

Hooper has been covered.multiple times.

Moore anyway you look at it Moore impedes Robshaw from making a clean tackle on the ball carrier. That's obstruction clear as day it doesnt matter what Moore was intending to do what matters is what he did. You might want to put in a case for accidental offside (which is frankly just stupid) but the result is still the same no try.

If you going to argue things try to explain how the referee got it wrong or the decision he should of made instead. This is one of the most pathetic threads for arguing 'poor' ref calls I've seen at least there's usually an argument against beyond well if the ref ignored the laws those trys would of been given.

 

[ncurd]

Not a single yellow card for England? After roughly the same infringements and the late hit? yeah sure nice consistent ref.

England did not commit repeat infringements with the same play of the game in the 5 meter line. Which is what Hoopers was for so the ref was consistent there.

Late hit I think if Robshaw had put in a committed tackle he would of gone but as it was not a full on hit and it did not stop a clear qttacking threat he got away with it. Beale on the other hand stopped what could of been try scoring oppertunity (no penalty try as the outcome was not assured).

So yes I'm happy the ref was consistent England were just better at managing when to infringe and when not to. And how.

 

[The Jones Boy]

Bloody hell ncurd, you really are a one eyed pommie fan aren't you?

Beale was trying to catch that ball. If he had caught it he would have been off up the park like a robbers dog. He didn't catch it, but he didn't slap it away like Sonny Bill did last week against the French. He was unlucky.
That yellow was harsh.
Hoopers yellow was not harsh, he was playing like a dynamo to try and cover up the loss of Beale and he overplayed his hand and transgressed one time to many. It happens.

Hoopers offside. He was a mile offside when the grubber went through he should have stopped immediately as that is the rule is it not, if you want to get back on side.
He never stopped moving forward so he buggered that up himself.

Stephen Moore; for me that was a try, Robshaw was never going to stop that bloke from getting across the line and although there was a little interference it wasn't enough to make a difference.
Aussie were hard done by there but as Stephen Moore has shown himself to be a cheat on many past occasions I have little sympathy.

Was the ball out?
I don't know but the culprit here was Beale, play to the whistle, he slowed down and gave Daly an opportunity needlessly.

Mako was up to mischief and everyone knows it. He should have been carded. That was a rub of the green.

The late hit? Sometimes you get them sometimes you don't.

Aussie suffered from what we call the 'Twickenham effect'
.They have to rise above it and put the acid on.

 

[BenJeffrey]

Bloody hell ncurd, you really are a one eyed pommie fan aren't you?

Beale was trying to catch that ball. If he had caught it he would have been off up the park like a robbers dog. He didn't catch it, but he didn't slap it away like Sonny Bill did last week against the French. He was unlucky.
That yellow was harsh.
Hoopers yellow was not harsh, he was playing like a dynamo to try and cover up the loss of Beale and he overplayed his hand and transgressed one time to many. It happens.

Hoopers offside. He was a mile offside when the grubber went through he should have stopped immediately as that is the rule is it not, if you want to get back on side.
He never stopped moving forward so he buggered that up himself.

Stephen Moore; for me that was a try, Robshaw was never going to stop that bloke from getting across the line and although there was a little interference it wasn't enough to make a difference.
Aussie were hard done by there but as Stephen Moore has shown himself to be a cheat on many past occasions I have little sympathy.

Was the ball out?
I don't know but the culprit here was Beale, play to the whistle, he slowed down and gave Daly an opportunity needlessly.

Mako was up to mischief and everyone knows it. He should have been carded. That was a rub of the green.

The late hit? Sometimes you get them sometimes you don't.

Aussie suffered from what we call the 'Twickenham effect'
.They have to rise above it and put the acid on.

Got to agree with all points on the match. Crazy that Hooper is now the most yellow carded international rugby player in history, after such a short test career. As much as the final scoreline flattered England, it does prove that it's an 80 minute game, Eddie wanted the "fittest team in world rugby" and this is probably what he was going for.

Would have been interesting to see an England vs NZ this weekend, would have been very close. England aren't quite there but by next AI's on the current trend, it'll be a great game.

 

[TommiG88]

Yeah, in my country too. But I respect people from all around the world so if an Aussie or a Canadian read this post, for them is called soccer. Moron

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