[November Tests 2017 EOYT] England vs. Australia (18/11/2017)

[Ragey Erasmus]

The funny thing about Aussies like you whinging about the ref if you cannot point to a decision and just outright say it was wrong. The decisions were correct for the most part the the usual minor stuff falling pretty evenly on both sides. Ever consider Aussies got more yellows and more disallowed tries because you guys were more frequently ignoring the laws of the game and committing more blatant cynical fouls? The fact your players also had the nerve the then get mouthy about them, it should have been further punishment.

Australia were not dominant just as Wales were not dominant in the 6N. It seems some have got it into their head that reaching parity with England is the same as dominating England. You got close to crossing our try line 2 times, we ACTUALLY crossed your 4 times. So it was in the last 10 minutes? Yeah and what? It's an 80 minute game and if you don't want to play the full 80 that's your problem. England have been strongest in the final 10 in every game they have played and every time other sides want to discredit it. The final 10 is as much a part of the game as the first 10 and it doesn't matter, however you look at it conceding 3 tries in 10 minutes is shocking.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

 

[Derpus]

The funny thing about Aussies like you whinging about the ref if you cannot point to a decision and just outright say it was wrong. The decisions were correct for the most part the the usual minor stuff falling pretty evenly on both sides. Ever consider Aussies got more yellows and more disallowed tries because you guys were more frequently ignoring the laws of the game and committing more blatant cynical fouls? The fact your players also had the nerve the then get mouthy about them, it should have been further punishment.

Australia were not dominant just as Wales were not dominant in the 6N. It seems some have got it into their head that reaching parity with England is the same as dominating England. You got close to crossing our try line 2 times, we ACTUALLY crossed your 4 times. So it was in the last 10 minutes? Yeah and what? It's an 80 minute game and if you don't want to play the full 80 that's your problem. England have been strongest in the final 10 in every game they have played and every time other sides want to discredit it. The final 10 is as much a part of the game as the first 10 and it doesn't matter, however you look at it conceding 3 tries in 10 minutes is shocking.

yeah but the reality is we can point to pretty much every decision and say they were wrong because they fucken were mate. Hooper yellow, where was the warning? Beale, **** off **** he tapped it up. England try, it was out. Hooper try, Koro touched it with his foot and played him onside. etc. What a load of garbage.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

The fact your players also had the nerve the then get mouthy about them, it should have been further punishment.

100% this,
If it were in the premiership I wouldn't have been surprised to see Beale get a 2nd yellow for the way he spoke to the referee after getting carded.
Hooper had a lot of backchat with the referee as well, which wouldn't have stood with a firmer referee.

 

[Derpus]

The game is now perfectly geared for England, who can't actually play rugby. They own half the worlds players, and what's left, well they just rule book them away.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

yeah but the reality is we can point to pretty much every decision and say they were wrong because they fucken were mate. Hooper yellow, where was the warning? Beale, **** off **** he tapped it up. England try, it was out. Hooper try, Koro touched it with his foot and played him onside. etc. What a load of garbage.

a) He cynically infringed in the red zone, it's a card all day regardless of warnings
b) No he didn't, at BEST he tapped it horizontally
c) I'm 50/50 on it, I thought it was out. One angle it looked on the line, one it didn't. If that were an aussie try I'd feel aggrieved, but it's not cheating, like you suggest
d) That's not how offside works, please learn the laws of the game before spouting such BS. It's been clearly explained to you in this thread, and by an Aussie nontheless, so take note.

who can't actually play rugby

21/22 wins,
5 on the bounce vs Aus
Must be really stinging

 

[Derpus]

a) He cynically infringed in the red zone, it's a card all day regardless of warnings
b) No he didn't, at BEST he tapped it horizontally
c) I'm 50/50 on it, I thought it was out. One angle it looked on the line, one it didn't. If that were an aussie try I'd feel aggrieved, but it's not cheating, like you suggest
d) That's not how offside works, please learn the laws of the game before spouting such BS. It's been clearly explained to you in this thread, and by an Aussie nontheless, so take note.



21/22 wins,
5 on the bounce vs Aus
Must be really stinging

How many do you win if you a) don't have all the best southern hemisphere players in club teams in England/Francce. B) actually play South Africa and New Zealand. Please mate.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

How many do you win if you a) don't have all the best southern hemisphere players in club teams in England/Francce. B) actually play South Africa and New Zealand. Please mate.

Well we beat South Africa in that run, and New Zealand bartered their way out of a game this year.
What's club rugby got to do with anything?
Maybe if the Wobblies were any good the players would want to stay and play for their country like the Kiwis do with the ABs

 

[Derpus]

Well we beat South Africa in that run, and New Zealand bartered their way out of a game this year.
What's club rugby got to do with anything?
Maybe if the Wobblies were any good the players would want to stay and play for their country like the Kiwis do with the ABs

Because, generally if a player is contracted with a club they can't play for their national team. I'm not going to reel off the phenomal number of players for Australia who are ineligible. If i combined that with NZ the list would be nearing 100 players. You win. You bought the game.
I guess Aaron Cruden, the best 10 in New Zealand, just thought that because NZ were doing so bad he'd play for a club.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Aye, probably.
Clubs have literally nothing to do with the national teams in France and England, though. They're often at loggerheads, even. So to suggest the RFU is getting to clubs to sign Aussie players to weaken the Wallabies is just pure tinfoil hat conspiracy.

 

[Derpus]

Aye, probably.
Clubs have literally nothing to do with the national teams in France and England, though. They're often at loggerheads, even. So to suggest the RFU is getting to clubs to sign Aussie players to weaken the Wallabies is just pure tinfoil hat conspiracy.

Mate, i wasn't suggesting a conspiracy at all. Just asserting the fact that, for whatever reason, NZ, SA and Aus will never again have a full-strength team. Ever.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

yeah but the reality is we can point to pretty much every decision and say they were wrong because they fucken were mate. Hooper yellow, where was the warning? Beale, **** off **** he tapped it up. England try, it was out. Hooper try, Koro touched it with his foot and played him onside. etc. What a load of garbage.

Don't need a warning if you are stupid enough to give away 5 penalties in a minute 5m from your own try line. Beale tapped it up? So that's why it went DOWN with just his finger tips making contact. England try was in because it needs to be clear and obvious it was out, which it wasn't. Hooper try he was offside and the law states he must stop in order to be brought onside and must not continue to run forwards. He never stopped so was never brought onside, even after an onside player ran past him. The only garbage here is your ignorance of the laws.

However even removing Daly's try and giving you 2 extra tries, that is 20-23 to England so you STILL lose.

 

[RoosTah]

21/22 wins,
5 on the bounce vs Aus
Must be really stinging

It's annoying to lose to an Aussie coached England, but if given the option of losing all these games v knocking you lot out of your own WC, I'd still choose the latter

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Mate, i wasn't suggesting a conspiracy at all. Just asserting the fact that, for whatever reason, NZ, SA and Aus will never again have a full-strength team. Ever.

because they refuse to select players who play overseas?

that sounds like a them problem not an england problem

 

[Derpus]

because they refuse to select players who play overseas?

that sounds like a them problem not an england problem

Yeah right. We were selecting Genia overseas and the club refused to release him last year to play you.

I love our rivalry with New Zealand and South Africa. Genuine rugby. England are the enemy of sport.

 

[galumay]

Time to use the ignore feature. Apologies for my fellow Australian's trolling.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

England are the enemy of sport.

We invented the sport, everyone else is the enemy.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Yeah right. We were selecting Genia overseas and the club refused to release him last year to play you.

I love our rivalry with New Zealand and South Africa. Genuine rugby. England are the enemy of sport.

must have missed that game cause i don't think aussies were on our schedule

 

[Derpus]

Time to use the ignore feature. Apologies for my fellow Australian's trolling.

I'd only be trolling if i wasn't right. Game is going the way of soccer. England will commandeer it with money and turn it into a vehicle for gambling and alcohol.

 

[The Jones Boy]

We invented the sport, everyone else is the enemy.

We invented the Rugby World Cup, but it took us a long time to get three wins under our belt. it's taking England a long time to achieve world dominance but they are getting there, just not with their own homegrown players. Mako, Hartley and Ben Te'o all kiwi born.

England are not the only culprit either with France taking a lot of foreign players into their club ranks.
Ireland and Wales take some too.
It's not necessarily the country that drags the players, not yet anyway, it's the money.
The NH clubs can offer more than the Super rugby franchises, a lot more.
In many cases the NH clubs can offer more than the NZRFU can afford to play their players so off they go...
Here's the latest one

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/11/18/blacks-fury-brad-shields-defects-england/