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England vs Australia

Missed it yesterday, but watched the full 80 today and my word were England good, but they could have been better. There were so many positives which i could list, but they've all been said already. Rather than being negative by pointing out England's flaws, i feel it actually is a mark of how far the team have come since March that i don't feel overly carried away and that there are still a couple of aspects that need to be addressed, e.g.


  • Danny Care is not a top quality international scrum half. Despite him getting England into the Australian 22 a few times his constant three-steps-pass routine saps England of momentum, and he got caught in possession a few times. I reckon Hodgson is the man to bench for England - he offers control yet still provides a certain spark (evidently not as much as Youngs) for a backline.

  • Hartley can't throw for **** (in an England shirt). He really needs to sort this out, as every other part of his game is pretty much spot on. Thompson looked really confident from the point he came on, as he threw a huge throw over the lineout to Easter, and then a bullet to the back of the lineout to the same man. Still not sure which hooker to plump for.

  • Flood needs to work on his kicking from hand, I think on three occasions he picked out Beale from kicks, which on another day could've been costly. This is a testament to England's defence, however, that they kept them out

  • Too many stupid penalties, if O'Conner didn't have a **** kicking day it would've been a whole lot tighter.
N.B Andrew Sheridan, Courtney Lawes, Tom Palmer, Tom Croft, Ben Youngs, Toby Flood, Shontayne Hape, Mark Cueto and Chris Ashton are ******* awesome, probably the best i've seen any of them play in an England shirt except for Sheridan.
 
I was watching the game at the rugby club when there was a replay. It was guitea head on against the hooker trying some footwork and out of nowhere, the man mountain that is Sheridan came right across the screen and flattened him.
 
wow, didn't see the game but what a result. Well done england

As an ab's supporter it just shows how good the AB's are, grand slams & unbeaten northern tours are a giving for the AB's everyone says it's too easy yet SA & AUS are constantly dropping games when they tour.

wonder if there will be a replay on sky, would be a good one to watch.

How do you go from this result (Eng beating Aus) to fluffing the ABs? Anyway SA have 4/8 grand slams where NZ has 3/8 so chew on that.
 
How do you go from this result (Eng beating Aus) to fluffing the ABs? Anyway SA have 4/8 grand slams where NZ has 3/8 so chew on that.

I'm refering to recent history. Henry's All Blacks are 2/2 from Grand slams I think? And have only lost one test match in europe (yes that one World cup game) - that's over like 7 years? Aussie have droped a few games, Scotland, the welsh as well recently i think? Now england. SA I know have a shocking record against france in europe recently and they lost to two english club sides last year.

I only said it because in the NZ media the whole Idea of the "grand slam" has lost it's value because it's come so easily for the AB's under Henry - heck the AB's recently went through a northern tour without conceding a try in any of the test matches. But during the same time period overall SA & AUS havn't had the same amount of success.
 
I'm refering to recent history. Henry's All Blacks are 2/2 from Grand slams I think? And have only lost one test match in europe (yes that one World cup game) - that's over like 7 years? Aussie have droped a few games, Scotland, the welsh as well recently i think? Now england. SA I know have a shocking record against france in europe recently and they lost to two english club sides last year.

I only said it because in the NZ media the whole Idea of the "grand slam" has lost it's value because it's come so easily for the AB's under Henry - heck the AB's recently went through a northern tour without conceding a try in any of the test matches. But during the same time period overall SA & AUS havn't had the same amount of success.

Fair enough. Anyway, good on England. I've always felt that a strong England makes the world of rugby just that much more enjoyable. Now for them to keep the momentum.
 
i think england will be considered the strongest NH team byt the end of the 6 nations.
or even just by the end of the AI's
 
I believe they're sitting 4th in the IRB rankings now (for what little they're worth when you consider the record over the past 12 months).
 
I felt when genia got tackled he was never released by the tacklers. Australia got pinned numerous times for tackler not releasing and even on one occasion where robinson clearly showed his hands after the tackle.
Not that it matters in the whole scheme of things.
England played great. Keep that up and theyll be the ones to knock off the kiwis next year.

Assuming that England and New Zealand qualify first in their pools, England are likely to play France at the quarter final stage, and I wouldn't necessarily say that England will win ... but assuming they do, and going by recent form and rankings, they would play the Wallabies in the semi-finals with other likely semi-final being between the AB's and the Boks, so if the English are going to knock the AB's off it would probably have to be in the Final.

... Not saying that it won't happen or that it's automatic that the AB's will get that far, or taking anything away from England's excellent performance, just saying that there's a strong possibility that they won't actually play against each other.
 
Awesome game by England.
Really impressed by Flood in the last 2 games and thought he made the much vaunted Quade-Cooper look very ordinary.
If England can build on this performance and give it a bit of polishing they will be a major force in the rwc next year.
Great aggression in defence and some great attacking paved the way for a huge win.
I must admit I quite like Tindall and thought he had a good game but England really do need more pace in the centre position to capitalise on the opportunities that they create with their new running game.
I was worried for much of the game as Australia are one of those teams that can score quick points from anywhere and was really surprised when England showed that they can run the ball from behind there own tryline as well.
All in all i thought Australia looked average, and England looked great.

Wish we had one of those old school 3 match series against them rather than these modern play 4 teams once tours.
 
This is one of the best games I have seen England play since the 2003 World Cup, combined with a solid performance against New Zealand the week before I'm starting to think they can make a run next September-October I want to see how they do in the Six Nations before I make any specific predictions. I really hope England plays more of this running rugby we might be in for some exciting games in six nations against Wales and France if they do.

As for Australia someone seriously needs to pick up a kicking tee and take some long hours of practice at goal kicking, how much longer are the Wallabies going to throw away valuable points with kicking that dosen't match their brilliant play, this is acceptable perhaps for the November matches but in next years Tri Nations and World Cup a conversion or penalty could mean the difference between the Webb Ellis trophy or an exit in the elimination stages.
 
Too right.

Kiwis always choke in the World Cup... :p

:lol: ... you know we've never lost an RWC final on Eden Park ... but, on the other hand, I am feeling a little constricted in the throat area :p

I see the fallout has started to happen in the Wallaby camp, with Robbie telling Quade to ""Get defensive" ... or else

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/get-defensive-deans-warns-cooper-20101116-17vxe.html

It is not a case of Cooper running out of the way, he always attempts to stop the ball carrier, but his technique is flawed - by regularly going too high he is often brushed off.

This is a quandary, as while Deans is aware that Cooper's attacking ingenuity makes him a crucial factor in the Wallabies being tagged the ''Wizards of Oz'', a glaring hole in midfield increases the workload of his teammates and can lead to problems in other areas of the defensive line.

A downcast Deans said he had discussed the situation with Cooper, but in the end it all revolved around the player having the will to improve as a defender.

''We can't continue on with the sort of [defensive] numbers that we got out of the weekend. The best response would be for Quade to master it himself,'' Deans said.

Asked how quickly someone can ''master it'', Deans replied: ''You might get an insight this week, hopefully. We're working there constantly, but the game is different. We do as much as we can at training, but the reality is it's not until the rubber hits the road that you really find out.''

In reply to queries over whether Cooper suffered from problems with his technique or a lack of concentration, Deans said: ''Having the will is a big part of it. You've got to want to do it. It doesn't matter what preparation you do - if there's no will, it just doesn't happen.''

Deans hoped it did not come down to having to demote Cooper. ''He does offer us a lot,'' he said. ''He's been a big point of difference for us, but you've got to look at the game in its totality. Also Quade wasn't the only one, to be honest. Our team defence was inadequate.''

Wallabies midfielder Berrick Barnes, who is in line for a starting recall against Italy in Florence on Saturday (1am Sunday morning, Sydney time), reinforced the view that the key to being a good defender was having the motivation.

''Defence revolves around attitude, both individually and as a team,'' Barnes said. ''Individually it involves making your one-on-one tackles, but also turning up for your mate on the inside as well. That's a mentality you've got to have as a team, and we'll definitely be ramming that home to the boys this week.''

Watching a video of Australia's flat effort against England had clearly made Deans even more despondent. Gone was his sunny disposition in Hong Kong after at last overcoming the All Blacks.

''It was an average performance,'' Deans said. ''We were off the pace in terms of our intensity. You gave them a bit of ground and then the whole contest changed.

''England did play well, but we also contributed to it by not scoring points when they were there.

''England played similarly to the way the All Blacks played. From talking to them after the Test, England essentially observed that [Wallabies-All Blacks] Hong Kong Test, and went through a philosophical shift. It was clearly a conscious decision to adjust the way they play.''

While Will Genia, suffering bruised ribs, says he will be available for the Italy Test, Deans will not decide on a kicker to replace James O'Connor, who has returned home for a friend's funeral, until late in the week.
 
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