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back to the game. O'callaghan is really going to have to take control of the tight five and really squeeze the best out of them. The back row will be important, if we can get heaslip,wallace and muldoon with ball in hand hopefully they will make ground. It will be interesting to see Muldoon play as he offers real agression. O'leary wil have to play quick ball to maybe catch the AB on the back foot, This will hopefully be enhanced if Ireland can use the new break down rule to their advantages although the AB players are used to it now and the Irish aren't. O'gara will no dobt pay for teritory whether this works or not we will see however O'gara must make all the right decisions come Saturday. D'arcy and BOD hopefully can regain a bit of form but I think it's important that we use the wings nstead of BOD and D'arcy trying to Bust the defence. The wingers just need the ball and ten they can hopefully show thei magic. Kearney is going to need to be alert. he will have to be everywhere. Hes going to be needed in attack to add an extra player in the line. In defence he will have to be aware of the line busting AB. He will also be challenged by the boot so must be ready to make those catches.
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Was thinking about the frontrow today during my English exam (yep priorities right there). Aside from Hayes it's an exceptionally dynamic unit in the loose. If we'd put Buckley in there and given up on there scrum altoghther it yould have been like having a ninth forward in the loose.
if mod has agood game the tight five could be solid donnacha realy needs to show he can preform without poc also we have dan tuhoy on the bench he must be gnashing at the leashto get on and prove his worth
muldoon is in a once in a life time situation by injury he is given a starting berth he should be up for it and go like a madman hopefully with him and wallace even off a retreating scrum can get us moving foward for quick ruck ball
i understand the conditions are poor at the minute then i expect kicking for territoryand instead of passing wide i expect the wingers will come in cutting lines (as bowe likes to do anyway) to keep the passes short and minimise errors
hopefuly a tight gameone or two kicks could mean everything hopefully
muldoon is in a once in a life time situation by injury he is given a starting berth he should be up for it and go like a madman hopefully with him and wallace even off a retreating scrum can get us moving foward for quick ruck ball
i understand the conditions are poor at the minute then i expect kicking for territoryand instead of passing wide i expect the wingers will come in cutting lines (as bowe likes to do anyway) to keep the passes short and minimise errors
hopefuly a tight gameone or two kicks could mean everything hopefully
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Lads just thinking seriously and if I were picking team the changes I'd have are:
- I'd leave Trimble because although I slam the guy he has played well for Ulster this year and he's the best available,
- Buckley for John Hayes as I just feel Buckley offers more and well has the same strength as Bull but is more of an impact in the loose
- Wallace for D'Arcy as I feel Wallace is on form and D'Arcy isn't right at the moment (is he carrying any injury I wonder??)
- Sexton for ROG (although this call may have been based on game-plan or Sextons fitness)
- And well I don't know if TOL or Reddan should loose out but I think maybe Stringers pass could've been a weapon here.
My other main worry is our bench isn't the strongest and well I think Buckley and Jennings will play big parts as will Sexton but I wonder about the rest (will they even see game-time)
- I'd leave Trimble because although I slam the guy he has played well for Ulster this year and he's the best available,
- Buckley for John Hayes as I just feel Buckley offers more and well has the same strength as Bull but is more of an impact in the loose
- Wallace for D'Arcy as I feel Wallace is on form and D'Arcy isn't right at the moment (is he carrying any injury I wonder??)
- Sexton for ROG (although this call may have been based on game-plan or Sextons fitness)
- And well I don't know if TOL or Reddan should loose out but I think maybe Stringers pass could've been a weapon here.
My other main worry is our bench isn't the strongest and well I think Buckley and Jennings will play big parts as will Sexton but I wonder about the rest (will they even see game-time)
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I think how Ireland use their bench will be important. NZ's bench contains a number of 'impact' players - Vito, Sam Whitelock, Cruden, and Guilford are all exciting ball runners that could cause some serious damage against tiring players (though I suppose the wet conditions could negate this).
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I personally think some players could really change the game. Buckey could really add power, fogarty well does most of the basics well, touhy is a good ball carrier and could restable the game if MOD is crap, jennings will add some aggresion to the contact and breakdown area, reddan a solid player should beused as scrum half is a tiering position, sexton will obviuosly get the back line moving and actually poses a threat himself and he can tacke, murphy will hopefull add lots of experience,skill and leadership to the team.
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Can't see Fogarty getting gametime or Tuothy unless there is an injury or maybe just for last few mins if game is done.
Murphy will see gametime but where (wing/fullback) I don't know.
Reddan I doubt will see much as Kidney seems to play T.O'L for full 80 most of time.
Sexton, and Buckley I expect will see alot of gametime 20-25mins
Jennings _ I dont know how much he'll see but should see gametime
But in reality they aren't players that will make massive impacts like if we'd full team you have ususally:
- Best/Flannery - can make impact
- Buckley - Although can be Court, Buckley's power is proving useful lately
- Cullen - A super player and great lineout operator
- Leamy/Jennings/McLaughlin - Many that can make the grade
- Stringer/Reddan - Stringer pass or Reddan sniping both are useful although both can be horrific too
- Sexton/ ROG - Both can make serious impacts regardless of who starts and who comes on
- so many for outside like if we had full pick on top of what there add Earls, Luke and Wallace the options of quality is brilliant.
Murphy will see gametime but where (wing/fullback) I don't know.
Reddan I doubt will see much as Kidney seems to play T.O'L for full 80 most of time.
Sexton, and Buckley I expect will see alot of gametime 20-25mins
Jennings _ I dont know how much he'll see but should see gametime
But in reality they aren't players that will make massive impacts like if we'd full team you have ususally:
- Best/Flannery - can make impact
- Buckley - Although can be Court, Buckley's power is proving useful lately
- Cullen - A super player and great lineout operator
- Leamy/Jennings/McLaughlin - Many that can make the grade
- Stringer/Reddan - Stringer pass or Reddan sniping both are useful although both can be horrific too
- Sexton/ ROG - Both can make serious impacts regardless of who starts and who comes on
- so many for outside like if we had full pick on top of what there add Earls, Luke and Wallace the options of quality is brilliant.
Planet Rugby's take on the match...
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_6200626,00.html
In amongst all the hullaballoo surrounding the France-SA and Australia-England clashes, Ireland have slipped almost unnoticed into New Zealand.
That'll probably suit both parties, but let it not go unsaid that this is a match full of all sorts of intrigue.
Ireland are coming to the end of a golden generation at the moment, one that has many times had the black jersey in its sights but has often been guilty of letting the finger slip from the trigger at the crucial moment.
The Irish have played the All Blacks 22 times in all. They drew once, in 1973 at Lansdowne Road. All the other matches have ended in defeat, sometimes ignominious, sometimes valiant, sometimes unfortunate. But all of them defeat.
You or I would not be the only people thinking that there could not be a more suitable captain than Brian O'Driscoll to break that hoodoo once and for all. An epitome of this generation of Irish players, BOD has skinned all the scalps except for this one during his 107 Test caps and as he himself confessed this week, Saturday's clash may be his last chance.
"It hasn't happened to date but it's going to happen some time before the world implodes. Let's hope it happens sooner rather than later," said O'Driscoll.
"It's been said recently the next time you play the All Blacks is the best time to beat them, and Saturday just happens to be the next time."
Is it the best time for him to hope for a win? We thought classes of 2005 and 2008 might be the ones but both of thoes matches, both in Ireland, ended in defeats of the more thorough kind. Indeed, in the past few years, it's been Irish touring teams who have come closest to breaking the run. In 2006 in Auckland was probably closest of all, when Luke McAlister's late try decided a fierce contest.
That was a New Zealand team ravaged by injury at the time, and this one on Saturday is also remarkable for the lack of familiarity to it. There are three new caps in the starting XV and three more on the bench as Graham Henry takes advantage of a multitude of injuries to look for a couple of bolters for the 2011 squad. The sparkling running of Israel Dagg from full-back is the obvious one, but eyes will be on Aaron Cruden coming off the bench too as doubts continue to fester over Dan Carter's form.
It's a green New Zealand side up against an Ireland team in green and dripping with experience from every pore in all facet except one critical one: the new rules.
Declan Kidney is not often particularly spoken on any subject in public, let alone outspoken, but his voice was conspicuous this week as a near-dissenter among all those who hold the new law applications and the speed of the new-look game of rugby dear. His plea to officials to make sure the breakdown remained a contest was a rare call for a return to the good old days of stodgy rugby, a smothering scrapping defensive effort which has served the Irish so well down the years, but one which is now outdated - in many cases outlawed.
It's this which will likely herald the end of this generation of Irish players about a year before its time. Ireland can be devastating on their day, but you feel the evisceration of the breakdown and the battle on the floor will open the game up too much for the Irish to cope with. There's only so much suffocation that can be applied a la O'Gara these days and New Zealand's backs, green or not, just have too much flair to allow their airways to be restricted too much. The pace of the new game will be Ireland's undoing. Just when they had the team to truly do it under the old-style game too. Typical.
Ones to watch:
For New Zealand: Ronan O'Gara is not shy of a kick or two and there's little doubting the international temperament of newbie Israel Dagg will be given a few stern early tests with balls launched high into the air. How the full-back copes with this particular aerial assault might be an immediate yardstick as to whether Graham Henry believes the youngter has what it takes to crack the side for 2011.
For Ireland: Hooker Sean Cronin, third in the pecking order, has a long day ahead of him trying to find his jumpers against Anthony Boric and Brad Thorn and crumming against Keven Mealamu. A long day. But a good day will see him jump up a couple of notches, succeeding where others failed.
Head to head: Dan Carter v Ronan O'Gara. Two old heads now, both full of experience and both facing scrutiny for recent form. Will they pass the exam?
Recent results:
2001 - New Zealand won 40-29 in Dublin
2002 - New Zealand won 15-6 in Dunedin
2002 - New Zealand won 40-8 in Auckland
2005 - New Zealand won 45-7 in Dublin
2006 - New Zealand won 34-23 in Hamilton
2006 - New Zealand won 27-17 in Auckland
2008 - New Zealand won 21-11 in Wellington
2008 - New Zealand won 22-3 in Dublin
Prediction: New Zealand to run away with it and win by fifteen
New Zealand: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Benson Stanley, 11 Joe Rokocoko, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw (c), 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Anthony Boric, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Keven Mealamu, 1 Ben Franks.
Replacements: 16 Aled de Malmanche, 17 Neemia Tialata, 18 Sam Whitelock, 19 Victor Vito, 20 Piri Weepu, 21 Aaron Cruden, 22 Zac Guildford.
Ireland: 15 Rob Kearney, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Brian O'Driscoll (c), 12 Gordon D'Arcy, 11 Andrew Trimble, 10 Ronan O'Gara, 9 Tomas O'Leary, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 David Wallace, 6 John Muldoon, 5 Mick O'Driscoll, 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 John Hayes, 2 Sean Cronin, 1 Cian Healy.
Replacements: 16 John Fogarty, 17 Tony Buckley, 18 Dan Tuohy, 19 Shane Jennings, 20 Eoin Reddan, 21 Jonathan Sexton, 22 Geordan Murphy.
Date: Saturday, June 12
Venue: Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth
Kick-off: 19:35 (07:35 GMT)
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Assistant referees: Mark Lawrence (South Africa), James Leckie (Australia)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)
By Danny Stephens
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_6200626,00.html
In amongst all the hullaballoo surrounding the France-SA and Australia-England clashes, Ireland have slipped almost unnoticed into New Zealand.
That'll probably suit both parties, but let it not go unsaid that this is a match full of all sorts of intrigue.
Ireland are coming to the end of a golden generation at the moment, one that has many times had the black jersey in its sights but has often been guilty of letting the finger slip from the trigger at the crucial moment.
The Irish have played the All Blacks 22 times in all. They drew once, in 1973 at Lansdowne Road. All the other matches have ended in defeat, sometimes ignominious, sometimes valiant, sometimes unfortunate. But all of them defeat.
You or I would not be the only people thinking that there could not be a more suitable captain than Brian O'Driscoll to break that hoodoo once and for all. An epitome of this generation of Irish players, BOD has skinned all the scalps except for this one during his 107 Test caps and as he himself confessed this week, Saturday's clash may be his last chance.
"It hasn't happened to date but it's going to happen some time before the world implodes. Let's hope it happens sooner rather than later," said O'Driscoll.
"It's been said recently the next time you play the All Blacks is the best time to beat them, and Saturday just happens to be the next time."
Is it the best time for him to hope for a win? We thought classes of 2005 and 2008 might be the ones but both of thoes matches, both in Ireland, ended in defeats of the more thorough kind. Indeed, in the past few years, it's been Irish touring teams who have come closest to breaking the run. In 2006 in Auckland was probably closest of all, when Luke McAlister's late try decided a fierce contest.
That was a New Zealand team ravaged by injury at the time, and this one on Saturday is also remarkable for the lack of familiarity to it. There are three new caps in the starting XV and three more on the bench as Graham Henry takes advantage of a multitude of injuries to look for a couple of bolters for the 2011 squad. The sparkling running of Israel Dagg from full-back is the obvious one, but eyes will be on Aaron Cruden coming off the bench too as doubts continue to fester over Dan Carter's form.
It's a green New Zealand side up against an Ireland team in green and dripping with experience from every pore in all facet except one critical one: the new rules.
Declan Kidney is not often particularly spoken on any subject in public, let alone outspoken, but his voice was conspicuous this week as a near-dissenter among all those who hold the new law applications and the speed of the new-look game of rugby dear. His plea to officials to make sure the breakdown remained a contest was a rare call for a return to the good old days of stodgy rugby, a smothering scrapping defensive effort which has served the Irish so well down the years, but one which is now outdated - in many cases outlawed.
It's this which will likely herald the end of this generation of Irish players about a year before its time. Ireland can be devastating on their day, but you feel the evisceration of the breakdown and the battle on the floor will open the game up too much for the Irish to cope with. There's only so much suffocation that can be applied a la O'Gara these days and New Zealand's backs, green or not, just have too much flair to allow their airways to be restricted too much. The pace of the new game will be Ireland's undoing. Just when they had the team to truly do it under the old-style game too. Typical.
Ones to watch:
For New Zealand: Ronan O'Gara is not shy of a kick or two and there's little doubting the international temperament of newbie Israel Dagg will be given a few stern early tests with balls launched high into the air. How the full-back copes with this particular aerial assault might be an immediate yardstick as to whether Graham Henry believes the youngter has what it takes to crack the side for 2011.
For Ireland: Hooker Sean Cronin, third in the pecking order, has a long day ahead of him trying to find his jumpers against Anthony Boric and Brad Thorn and crumming against Keven Mealamu. A long day. But a good day will see him jump up a couple of notches, succeeding where others failed.
Head to head: Dan Carter v Ronan O'Gara. Two old heads now, both full of experience and both facing scrutiny for recent form. Will they pass the exam?
Recent results:
2001 - New Zealand won 40-29 in Dublin
2002 - New Zealand won 15-6 in Dunedin
2002 - New Zealand won 40-8 in Auckland
2005 - New Zealand won 45-7 in Dublin
2006 - New Zealand won 34-23 in Hamilton
2006 - New Zealand won 27-17 in Auckland
2008 - New Zealand won 21-11 in Wellington
2008 - New Zealand won 22-3 in Dublin
Prediction: New Zealand to run away with it and win by fifteen
New Zealand: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Benson Stanley, 11 Joe Rokocoko, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw (c), 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Anthony Boric, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Keven Mealamu, 1 Ben Franks.
Replacements: 16 Aled de Malmanche, 17 Neemia Tialata, 18 Sam Whitelock, 19 Victor Vito, 20 Piri Weepu, 21 Aaron Cruden, 22 Zac Guildford.
Ireland: 15 Rob Kearney, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Brian O'Driscoll (c), 12 Gordon D'Arcy, 11 Andrew Trimble, 10 Ronan O'Gara, 9 Tomas O'Leary, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 David Wallace, 6 John Muldoon, 5 Mick O'Driscoll, 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 John Hayes, 2 Sean Cronin, 1 Cian Healy.
Replacements: 16 John Fogarty, 17 Tony Buckley, 18 Dan Tuohy, 19 Shane Jennings, 20 Eoin Reddan, 21 Jonathan Sexton, 22 Geordan Murphy.
Date: Saturday, June 12
Venue: Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth
Kick-off: 19:35 (07:35 GMT)
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Assistant referees: Mark Lawrence (South Africa), James Leckie (Australia)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)
By Danny Stephens
http://www.allblacks.com/news/13266/ODriscoll-misses-captains-run
O'Driscoll misses captain's run
NZPA - (11/06/2010) -
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Ireland captain Brian O'Driscoll has missed the team's final training session due to illness.
The veteran centre was absent from Ireland's captain's run at Yarrow Stadium today ahead of tomorrow's one-off test against the All Blacks.
An Ireland team spokesman said O'Driscoll, who trained in Auckland yesterday, was feeling off-colour this morning but would still attend the captaion's press conference later today.
O'Driscoll misses captain's run
NZPA - (11/06/2010) -
CommentIreland captain Brian O'Driscoll has missed the team's final training session due to illness.
The veteran centre was absent from Ireland's captain's run at Yarrow Stadium today ahead of tomorrow's one-off test against the All Blacks.
An Ireland team spokesman said O'Driscoll, who trained in Auckland yesterday, was feeling off-colour this morning but would still attend the captaion's press conference later today.
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This game is being played in my hometown and i'm gutted to miss it.
Its always a good time at Yarrows, last All Blacks game in Taranaki was against Samoa when i was 17 or 18. It was on a wednesday and we had an interschool match, we took care of business and went down to the beach and got hammered. Then we stumbled up to the stadium where half of us got in and half were told we were too rowdy (or didnt have tickets, one guy got his "***s out for the boys" sign confiscated). The latter half spent the first quarter of the match finding fences to jump or female security guards to chat up to sneak in. Everyone made it eventually, even our mouthy halfback who managed to get arrested twice by two different policemen but ended up in the stands by halftime anyway. The All Blacks put 100 points on them and one of my mates got shown on the sports show "the crowd goes wild" with the comment "this guy here (a circle highlights the guy) is a legend (guy begins powerchucking over the handrail and onto the edge of the field) Then after the match in town, there is only about 4 bars now, so youre bound to catch a couple drinks with the players. It was a good night.
Ive seen that the Irish team isn't getting many Irish supporters into Taranaki which i think is a bit of a shame, its a great rugby town.
Its always a good time at Yarrows, last All Blacks game in Taranaki was against Samoa when i was 17 or 18. It was on a wednesday and we had an interschool match, we took care of business and went down to the beach and got hammered. Then we stumbled up to the stadium where half of us got in and half were told we were too rowdy (or didnt have tickets, one guy got his "***s out for the boys" sign confiscated). The latter half spent the first quarter of the match finding fences to jump or female security guards to chat up to sneak in. Everyone made it eventually, even our mouthy halfback who managed to get arrested twice by two different policemen but ended up in the stands by halftime anyway. The All Blacks put 100 points on them and one of my mates got shown on the sports show "the crowd goes wild" with the comment "this guy here (a circle highlights the guy) is a legend (guy begins powerchucking over the handrail and onto the edge of the field) Then after the match in town, there is only about 4 bars now, so youre bound to catch a couple drinks with the players. It was a good night.
Ive seen that the Irish team isn't getting many Irish supporters into Taranaki which i think is a bit of a shame, its a great rugby town.
While we're talking about the tight 5 (maybe we wern't), the Franks brothers are making me more and more impressed.
I mean come on, they are beasts. I'm now hoping for a Woodcock and Owen Franks to start in the RWC, with Ben Franks on the bench seeing as he can cover both sides of the scrum. And seeing how good the Crusaders scrum was, I wouldn't want to be Hayes tomorrow night.
http://www.allblacks.com/news/13265/Franks-eyeballs-veteran-in-scrum-clash
I mean come on, they are beasts. I'm now hoping for a Woodcock and Owen Franks to start in the RWC, with Ben Franks on the bench seeing as he can cover both sides of the scrum. And seeing how good the Crusaders scrum was, I wouldn't want to be Hayes tomorrow night.
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Ranger, that is a truly fantastic story. I'm confident that if you chronolgised the events of that unforgettable night in a cheeky softcover novel that it would quickly become a cult classic...and I don't just mean in the rugby fraternity. If you were able to portray the the sheer hedonism in as vivid a manner possible then I would venture to suggest that On the Road and Fear and Loathing in Last Vegas would be left in their wake. I really wished I grew up in Taranaki
Getting back to the rugby, I feel that Ireland will in general be dominated in the possession stakes, NZ will constantly get over the gain line but errors will save Ireland's bacon on numerous occasions. I think Ireland will have their chances. more in the way of clean line breaks but won't finish them.. their scroing opportunities won't be the result of fruitful graft like NZ ball carrying. I feel NZ will take an approach similar to Toulouse in this year's HC and keep it tight knowing that it works - and of course run when it's on and not for the sake of it. Tommy Bowe will be Ireland's biggest threat coming off the wing and I feel he'll get through the midfield defence at least once but Ireland's support play won't be clinical enough.
I feel that NZ will win by a two try margin (unsure of actual points differential). However I am optimistic and if we lead by more than 7 going in at half time then it's squeaky bum time!
Getting back to the rugby, I feel that Ireland will in general be dominated in the possession stakes, NZ will constantly get over the gain line but errors will save Ireland's bacon on numerous occasions. I think Ireland will have their chances. more in the way of clean line breaks but won't finish them.. their scroing opportunities won't be the result of fruitful graft like NZ ball carrying. I feel NZ will take an approach similar to Toulouse in this year's HC and keep it tight knowing that it works - and of course run when it's on and not for the sake of it. Tommy Bowe will be Ireland's biggest threat coming off the wing and I feel he'll get through the midfield defence at least once but Ireland's support play won't be clinical enough.
I feel that NZ will win by a two try margin (unsure of actual points differential). However I am optimistic and if we lead by more than 7 going in at half time then it's squeaky bum time!
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Ireland to win and the All Blacks to be desperately trying to get Nick Williams back then
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Yeah apart from that, they've been solid.
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