[June Tests 2018: 3rd Test] South Africa vs. England (23/06/2018)

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Youngs has always been pretty hit or miss,
Having care snapping at his heels really encouraged him on under Jones (And same for care, fighting for his spot). Whenever one is out if the side the other always tends to look worse.

I wouldn't be adverse to getting a proper look at Spencer (would like to see Robson get a shot but Spencer is more realistic)

The BBC is suggesting it will be Robson

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Nice,
Makes sense as him and Cips have the club connection

I really want to see cipriani and Solomona together. Cips grubber/attacking short kicking game is vveerryy good, and that really plays into Solomona's league finishing prowess

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Nice,
Makes sense as him and Cips have the club connection

I really want to see cipriani and Solomona together. Cips grubber/attacking short kicking game is vveerryy good, and that really plays into Solomona's league finishing prowess

Yeah, this is what I'm expecting at 11.45

1.Marler
2. George
3. Sinks
4. Launch
5. Itoje
6. Sheilds
7. Curry
8. Hughes
9. Robson
10. Cips
11. Solomona
12. Faz
13. Loz
14 may
15. Daly

16. Cowan Dickie
17. Hepburn
18. Williams
19. Isekwe (could be Wilson tho)
20. Simmonds
21. Youngs
22. Ford
23. Brown

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

If the rumour's right about Cips that will be the 2nd time in 4 matches that Ford will have been dropped and the 3rd different starting FH in those games.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If the rumour's right about Cips that will be the 2nd time in 4 matches that Ford will have been dropped and the 3rd different starting FH in those games.

Who's the third?
I can't remember anyone other than faz and Ford playing 10 in forever

 

[SomeOke]

Well it's been pretty much confirmed the Boks are making a few changes as well, at the very least we'll see Elton Jantjies in for Handre Pollard and Andre Esterhuizen in for Damian de Allende.

 

[Mr Ruggleby]

Who's the third?
I can't remember anyone other than faz and Ford playing 10 in forever

Cipriani...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Cipriani...

Whoops, I misread it.
Thought he said it was the 4th time Ford has been dropped, for 3 different 10s

That'll teach me to sneak looks at my phone during work

 

[RedruthRFC]

Youngs has always been pretty hit or miss,
Having care snapping at his heels really encouraged him on under Jones (And same for care, fighting for his spot). Whenever one is out if the side the other always tends to look worse.

Sad but true. Since he established himself as an international, I haven't been a Youngs fan, but had to give him begrudging respect when England looked poorer without him after his injury in the 6N.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Well that caught me off guard

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Cips it is. Brown on wing and Robshaw. No sign of Shields.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Starters
15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 20 caps)
14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 36 caps)
13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)
12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 60 caps) captain
11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 71 caps)
10 Danny Cipriani (Wasps, 15 caps)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 76 caps)

1 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 58 caps)
2 Jamie George (Saracens, 27 caps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 12 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 53 caps)
5 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 21 caps)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 65 caps)
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 3 cap)
8 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 16 caps)

Finishers
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps)
17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 2 caps)
18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 10 caps)
19 Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 0 caps)
20 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 3 caps)
21 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps)
22 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 2 cap)
23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 4 caps)

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

England to lose by 20+

 

[Big_Grumper]

So EJ decided not to roll the dice and try something different, other than Cips in at 10. #fml

 

[Mr Ruggleby]

That'll teach me to sneak looks at my phone during work

Never

Starters
15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 20 caps)
14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 36 caps)
13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)
12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 60 caps) captain
11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 71 caps)
10 Danny Cipriani (Wasps, 15 caps)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 76 caps)

1 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 58 caps)
2 Jamie George (Saracens, 27 caps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 12 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 53 caps)
5 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 21 caps)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 65 caps)
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 3 cap)
8 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 16 caps)

Finishers
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps)
17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 2 caps)
18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 10 caps)
19 Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 0 caps)
20 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 3 caps)
21 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps)
22 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 2 cap)
23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 4 caps)

I think the 6/2 split on the bench is a actually a good call and might (fingers crossed to the point of disfigurement) help prevent our 20th-60th minute collapse. Also expecting the lack of altitude to help us too.

Can't understand why Shields has dropped out entirely, I can only assume he has picked up a knock or Eddie has seen enough to know he will be involved in the autumn and wants to give Wilson/Simmonds a run out or Robshaw a swansong.

Genuinely excited to see Cipriani play 80 or at least get a solid enough run. I'm hoping Denny comes on for Slade at some point so that Daly can shift to 13. In spite of the shocking performances of the last couple of weeks, I am excited to see what happens when we are forced to change our game plan (exc. Vunipolae) and given a shot of adrenaline at fly-half. Call me an eternal optimist/utter moron, but I think we may see a significantly improved performance on Saturday. If not, at least we have our inevitable success at the round ball world cup to fall back on...F***

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Jones has lost the plot... It's the forwards that are the main problem and he's doing nothing to address that.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Shields injured or has he seen sense and hot footed it back to NZ pretending the last few weeks never happened?

Hope Isiekwe's mentally tough, because right now he must be a very annoyed young man.

Surprised Loz hasn't been given a chance.

 

[ncurd]

Jones has lost the plot... It's the forwards that are the main problem and he's doing nothing to address that.

Yeah but everyone shouted how much better we'd play with Cips and how we'd crush them because he's only fly half who can play on the back foot.


And this is why the entire conversation about Ford/Cipriani was utter ********...

 

[Big_Grumper]

Hope Isiekwe's mentally tough, because right now he must be a very annoyed young man.

The same could be said for Robson and, to a lesser extent, Woody and Earle. Why bother taking them on tour?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Shields injured or has he seen sense and hot footed it back to NZ pretending the last few weeks never happened?

Hope Isiekwe's mentally tough, because right now he must be a very annoyed young man.

Surprised Loz hasn't been given a chance.

Never


I think the 6/2 split on the bench is a actually a good call and might (fingers crossed to the point of disfigurement) help prevent our 20th-60th minute collapse. Also expecting the lack of altitude to help us too.

Can't understand why Shields has dropped out entirely, I can only assume he has picked up a knock or Eddie has seen enough to know he will be involved in the autumn and wants to give Wilson/Simmonds a run out or Robshaw a swansong.

Genuinely excited to see Cipriani play 80 or at least get a solid enough run. I'm hoping Denny comes on for Slade at some point so that Daly can shift to 13. In spite of the shocking performances of the last couple of weeks, I am excited to see what happens when we are forced to change our game plan (exc. Vunipolae) and given a shot of adrenaline at fly-half. Call me an eternal optimist/utter moron, but I think we may see a significantly improved performance on Saturday. If not, at least we have our inevitable success at the round ball world cup to fall back on...F***

BBC saying that Shields is ill, that's why he has been dropped completely