June Internationals: Argentina v England, First Test (08/06/13)

[Tony Manx]

Doesn't seem to be available on iPlayer and I can't find a highlights program on the schedule... Anyone know if there are any on the internet anywhere?

You can watch it now on IPlayer but like most rugby, you can not download!

 

[nealn]

Cheers... Checked again and it's available to download onto my sky box so can watch this evening after the F1 and tennis are over!

 

[mstar]

Hard to judge how the team is gelling as the Argies were so mediocre.
However, i thought Kvesic played well, if the scrum stats are correct made 20 tackles?
Twelvetrees showing why we need his passing/creativity in the side he was everywhere its no fluke in the starts he has had for England he already supressed Barrit in terms of tries and metres with the ball. However, i think Barrit probably retain his place. I thought Wade was good his overall game he played really well. I hope Lancaster keeps playing him
as he is a devastating threat which in the 6N we never had in the backline.


I like to see Foden back to see how he plays has he improved since his injury? is he better? we need to know.


THe debate about a Number 7, well we didn't really find out much but i guess more keener eyed ppl here can tell us what they thought? I wasn't concentrating on his contribution much.


Attwood had a solid game but i still love to see the JL and Lawes partnership i think thats the best but Lawes just keeps shooting himself in the foot. If Lawes isn't carefull he might find himself passed by Attwood soon.


Also strettle had 5 TO's according to espn/scrum.com is that right?? i always suspect about the stats on that website are suspect.

 

[ratsapprentice]

However, i thought Kvesic played well, if the scrum stats are correct made 20 tackles?

THe debate about a Number 7, well we didn't really find out much but i guess more keener eyed ppl here can tell us what they thought? I wasn't concentrating on his contribution much.

Attwood had a solid game but i still love to see the JL and Lawes partnership i think thats the best but Lawes just keeps shooting himself in the foot. If Lawes isn't carefull he might find himself passed by Attwood soon.

Also strettle had 5 TO's according to espn/scrum.com is that right?? i always suspect about the stats on that website are suspect.

Kvesic was everywhere, RFU are saying he made 29 tackles OPTA say 20, either way he missed none.
His link play was good, a little sharper than Robshaw's.
He was very competitive at the breakdown, and was unlucky not to be awarded penalties for holding on at least twice, from what I remember.
Having Robshaw, Launchbury and Kev on at the same time would be absurd in terms of work-rate.

I like the look of the Launchbury/Attwood combo personally, Lawes finally brought his tackling game forward.
But he still doesn't look the same player he does for Saints...

Strettle had: 3 dropped balls, 1 knock on, 1 carry into touch. <_<

 

[Crapspray]

Having Robshaw, Launchbury and Kev on at the same time would be absurd in terms of work-rate.

Not forgetting Parling and Wood.

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When will Strettle have a line drawn under him? I'll despair if he starts ahead of Yarde/May this weekend.

And I think Marler had a good game. Much better scrummaging than earlier in the tour. The scrum held up with Thomas and Doran-Jones on as well, which was reassuring.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I agree, Marler has played well in all of the games on this tour so far. He's always had potential, he's just not close to fulfilling it yet...

Does need to tone down the ****le though.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Lancaster really need to work on some of the hotheads in the English squads. It's all very well not getting pushed around but it's better to take a bit of lip and some shoves from your opposition than get sent off and risk having your team concede points for something petty. I've seen a few occasions both with this England squad and the Lions of English players looking to start something and almost trying to get themselves carded. If I was Lancaster I'd be tempted to give them a good slap for being so childish.

 

[McTallshort]

Marler will never be an international standard prop and will only ever be good enough to bench if Mako or Corbs are injured.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Lancaster really need to work on some of the hotheads in the English squads. It's all very well not getting pushed around but it's better to take a bit of lip and some shoves from your opposition than get sent off and risk having your team concede points for something petty. I've seen a few occasions both with this England squad and the Lions of English players looking to start something and almost trying to get themselves carded. If I was Lancaster I'd be tempted to give them a good slap for being so childish.

Farrell, Marler and....?
It's not as if we've got 15 players on there all out starting fights.

 

[Galbraith]

Lancaster has said that he is going to make 1 or 2 changes for the next test:

http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=39390

Personally I would like to see Yarde or May coming in on the wing instead of Strettle and then possibly Foden coming in for Brown, not that I have anything against him but Foden has been looking sharp lately and I would like him to get a start. I would also like to see Eastmond coming in at 12 around 50 mins to show everyone what he can do. The forwards were looking pretty good though so I dont think I would change anything.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Farrell, Marler and....?
It's not as if we've got 15 players on there all out starting fights.

Vunipola ran up to an Argentinian player and shoved them pointlessly after a try if I remember correctly, Cole just walking into a Reds player completely on purpose. Even if we take it as just Farrel and Marler, that's 2 too many. All you need is one person to be a pillock and it can undo all the hard work the team may have put in up to that point.

 

[McTallshort]

it isnt tiddle winks boys, I like the fact that under SL the england teams become quite spiky better that than get shoved around all day. The recent game in Dublin was a prime example, for the last few years England have gone there been duffed up front and not fronted up, result we lose. This year the boys stood up to it the Irish lost their rag a few times and we won.

If you want rugby players to be all gentlemanly and lack any form of abrasive edge then you are watching the wrong sport.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I think I remember hearing that Lancaster wanted Yarde to play in that test, but because of the poor team performance last week against the consur team he put on Strettle instead.
Hopefully he gets a go, I'd be happy for May to have a go too, but Yarde has actually put in the better performance of the two on this tour.

I'd also like to see Eastmond come on a bit earlier, especially if the game is in the bag.

 

[Peat]

Vunipola ran up to an Argentinian player and shoved them pointlessly after a try if I remember correctly, Cole just walking into a Reds player completely on purpose. Even if we take it as just Farrel and Marler, that's 2 too many. All you need is one person to be a pillock and it can undo all the hard work the team may have put in up to that point.

Little bits of ****le, coming in to help a team-mate who's being pushed etc.etc. are commonplace the world over in rugby and virtually never result in cards. They're not a discipline problem.

Now, crap like Farrell punching players and what looks suspiciously like a stamp, that's an issue and should be stamped out as much as possible. But the handbags? Meh. THe only time to worry is when they're not there at all.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Vunipola ran up to an Argentinian player and shoved them pointlessly after a try if I remember correctly, Cole just walking into a Reds player completely on purpose. Even if we take it as just Farrel and Marler, that's 2 too many. All you need is one person to be a pillock and it can undo all the hard work the team may have put in up to that point.

The Argentinian player was lying on top of the England player (Strettle?) stopping him from getting up,Bunny pushed him off
Cole didn't walk into the guy (Sheehan), he walked behind him so as he turned they'd collide as he'd just been having a go at/shoving Murray (I think?).

When we've got 23 Sheehan's turning out for England you'd have a point, but you're making a mountain out of a thimble of sand.

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[j'nuh]

Hopefully he gets a go, I'd be happy for May to have a go too, but Yarde has actually put in the better performance of the two on this tour.

Yarde played in an England squad which is basically the squad we're putting out in the tests. (Even better because Corbisiero started that game instead of Marler.)

May played in a second string team. None of Corbisiero, Webber, Wilson, Launchbury, Attwood, Kvesic, Morgan, Dickson, Burns, Twelvetrees, Joseph, Wade or Brown started.

May had nowhere near the kind of opportunities or rigidity that Yarde had. So I don't think it's fair to say May's performance was worse. May deserves to be starting imo.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The Argentinian player was lying on top of the England player (Strettle?) stopping him from getting up,Bunny pushed him off
Cole didn't walk into the guy (Sheehan), he walked behind him so as he turned they'd collide as he'd just been having a go at/shoving Murray (I think?).

When we've got 23 Sheehan's turning out for England you'd have a point, but you're making a mountain out of a thimble of sand.

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Main point is I'm not concerned about handbags, I'm concerned about penalties and bookings. Those 2 instances won't have got them but it's all about promoting a correct attitude. That attitude allows you to give a bit of handbags when someone else is giving you trouble but everyone should have it made abundantly clear what the limits are and not to do something that could potentially disadvantage the team for something petty. Farrel and Marler are the two main culprits, those other instances were just cases where I thought what they did was pointless. Discipline is crucial to winning, the Argie game showed just how important it is. We dominated the game but as soon as we started getting pinged all the time it became practically impossible to increase the score even against a team as poor as that Argie team.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I'm well aware of the context of both Yarde and May's performances, I think Yarde's was better.

 

[mstar]

Marler, is a good scrummedger but nothing more then above average (at present). Corbs is a MUCH better technical scrummeger and i suspect more powerful. Rowntree rates Corbs on par with cole, hence why marler never really figured in any Lions discussions. Marler against experienced scrummegers struggles on occasions where COrbs better technical ability enables him to compete and beat experienced scrummegers.

Don't be surprised to see COrbs in the test side.... Rowntree loves him and he will force the issue with Gats if it comes down to it.

 

[Crapspray]

then possibly Foden coming in for Brown, not that I have anything against him but Foden has been looking sharp lately and I would like him to get a start.

I do. He keeps ignoring overlaps on the counter-attack. I counted two times when he had Christian Wade outside him, with a one-on-one with the fullback ahead of him, (which Wade would have taken at least one try from, especially given the performance of the Argentinian fullback) and he took the ball into contact instead. He did the same against the Barbarians.