Ireland vs England

[Peat]

By 0.1 I think Ireland are ahead of us. I know they are ahead of us in the rankings, but by how much I can't remember.

And yeah. I feel dirty for saying it but we missed Tindall.

 

[madflyhalf]

Yes of course, experience, sorry I forget it, it would be a fair boost

Flutey-Tindall would be very interesting to see, or, maybe Wilkinson at 10, Flood and Tindall in the midfield.
But during AIs, I would have tested Twelvetrees, Foden (he's a good 15 in open play, but he is a tactical suicide in his own half), Manu Tuilagi if already eligible...

Flutey is injuried?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Nope, Flutey was injured during the Summer and the Autumn but has been playing (and pretty well, imo) for Wasps for a while now
Manu Tuilagi is eligible for England, and got two matches for the Saxons at the start of the 6N

 

[Logorrhea]

And yes, you were shoved around by England. First scrum aside when the Irish deservedly got a pen for pushing us through our backsides. Every other time it was either even, or Ireland were going backwards/ up/ round/ down. Ross vs Corbisiero was pretty even

Pure fantasy stuff there. Watch the game again.

Have to say, loving this reaction from some of the regulars. This defeat must have hurt quite a bit more then I thought.

 

[coonor]

I think SOB has been pretty good and has carried well but I think us Irish posters have probably been abit over the top with rating him. I am amazed that Dallalgio thinks hes the best 6 in the northern hemisphere. I still think he is not as good as Ferris who has proven himself at Lions level. After rewatching the game I think Healy was very good. He is the best tackling prop in the 6 nations in my opinion and he is brilliant at ruck time. He was atleast comfortable in the scrum. He has come on alot since the autumn internationals. I also think Wood was Englands best player and he can hold his head high (apart from one massive knock on). Also for Thomson's try Reddan pass was off a lineout, exactly the same as when Smith intercepted his pass when Ireland played SA. He need to be careful at those situations but I think with experience he could cut out some of those mistakes. You could see that the younger players were inspired by BOD and POC and Irelands performance was summed up by the way O'Connell left the pitch after being subbed grasping Reddan in delight who was also being subbed. They both knew the job was done and to me Ireland looked like they wanted to win more.

 

[munstermuffin]

Well lads just briefly reading last few pages and well here is my views

Someone had an Irish team at full fitness and had DOC and Ryan in 2nd row ???? Who is Ryan and drop POC after yesterday
DOC is dark skinned anyway and tanned because he does massive amount of charity work in Africa most summers (even after Lions tour in '09 he stayed on for 3 weeks working)
England are not a bad team but I think English fans might accept that Ireland exposed them to see that they aren't near the best in the world by a long shot (Not saying Ireland are either)
Was told today by a very reliable source that Ireland had pre-meditated to wind-up Hartley, Ashton, Youngs and strangely Cueto as they felt these were easy targets, And I think they achieved it with Hartley and Ashton as both were mouthing from the start.

Having watched the game again though I think we have alot of positives found in this 6 Nations and yesterday:
- Sexton really stood up and that type of performance will help him feel alot more settled now.
- Trimble and Earls took alot of crap before the game (I admit I was Trimbles biggest critic) but both did very well yesterday (Earls had a fine 6 Nations) and well I feel at least now we seem to have options like never before in back 3.
- DOC and POC I feel really answered their doubters not just yesterday but throughout the 6Nations and as the tournament went on they grew in to it.
- Sean O'Brien really had superb tournament and was argubally our best player
- Mike Ross really did a fine job on fixing our scrum woes

 

[coonor]

England really needed to try a shut out the Irish fans by pushing Ireland backwards. The Irish players especially the Munster and Leinster ones thrive on support and the noise of their fans and you could really feel the Irish fans get behind their team and I think that was a key factor. For all the hype of people saying that there was nearly 20,000 English supporters I didn't hear them once and this game was the first game that really felt like it was being played at the home of Irish rugby at Lansdowne road.

 

[Peat]

Thats a fair point coonor. I think England were naive in trying to play rugby from the off, I think the wiser course might well have been to spend 15-20 minutes refusing to play rugby and forcing Ireland to do all the work from deep and make all the mistakes, thereby silencing the crowd. But long term, the confidence they displayed, albeit misplaced, makes me feel confident it will end alright.

 

[Marsbar_232]

The only back who had played in big games like this before was cueto, they didnt kno how to cope and completely crumbled!! Without the experiance of tindall in centre, should have played Johny from the off, keep the ship steady while Ireland were always gonna come out and try and get in our faces, needed the experiance to just stay calm and play rugby! Very hard thing to say but Ireland were sooooo much better and wanted it soooo much more! It was as if England thought theyd win the grand slam by just turning up! Altho i think the young England guys will have learnt an important lesson!

 

[gingergenius]

Pure fantasy stuff there. Watch the game again.

Have to say, loving this reaction from some of the regulars. This defeat must have hurt quite a bit more then I thought.

Stop being so ******* smug.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Was told today by a very reliable source that Ireland had pre-meditated to wind-up Hartley, Ashton, Youngs and strangely Cueto as they felt these were easy targets, And I think they achieved it with Hartley and Ashton as both were mouthing from the start.

I'm not sure it's physically possible for Cueto to be wound up :lol:
I've never seen him lose his temper/lash out in an England or Sale shirt

 

[munstermuffin]

Agreed Olyy and as I said I found it strange because he's an experienced head but never seems to be in a scrap or trouble with ref either.

 

[lynam1104]

He did in that England Samoa game where they tried to kill him.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Ah yes, forgot about that,
The first one he's preoccupied with how his windpipe has been destroyed, the second one however.....

 

[Logorrhea]

Was told today by a very reliable source that Ireland had pre-meditated to wind-up Hartley, Ashton, Youngs and strangely Cueto

Not sure if thats true. It was Ashton who was mouthing off at Sexton all through his first two kicks. Quite correctly England were trying to wind Sexton up. Not classy to do it during a kick though. Typical really.

Stop being so ******* smug.

Hows about you stop whinging? Go off and hide like the rest of them or stay here and take it like a bee-hatch.

Shame bullitt did a runner. Would have liked to hear him explain O'Briens performance in the same way you addressed Mike Ross's dominance. What about 10-15 mins in when O'Brien and DOC turned Haskell over .

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Not sure if thats true. It was Ashton who was mouthing off at Sexton all through his first two kicks. Quite correctly England were trying to wind Sexton up. Not classy to do it during a kick though. Typical really.

It's been established that Irelands gameplan was to wind up the English players, yet apparently it's England that are the bad sports?
Yeeeeaaaahhhh...........


Tom Wood made more metres than SOB in that match anyway

 

[munstermuffin]

That was Hartley mouthing off to Sexton for alot of it and as stated Log Ashton was part of their list but Olyy I'd presume reason Cueto was on that list was because if the young backs around him saw that he was getting tormented then maybe the effect would spread

Also Log we can't really slate any team for winding up players as every team does it and I know from seen it here in Munster Quinny and co are always at it. It's part of game

 

[Logorrhea]

It's been established that Irelands gameplan was to wind up the English players

Where was that established?

Tom Wood made more metres than SOB in that match anyway

I thought Wood was pretty decent actually. Much better then Haskell and Easter. Put in a good few hits and turned the ball over once with a nice poach. He only carried once though, for about 15 metres but it was in broken play (swiftly followed by a Care knock-on).

O'Brien broke the gainline (may only have been two metres but thats all you need) every time he carried. I know which one I'd prefer.

 

[gingergenius]

Not sure if thats true. It was Ashton who was mouthing off at Sexton all through his first two kicks. Quite correctly England were trying to wind Sexton up. Not classy to do it during a kick though. Typical really.


Hows about you stop whinging? Go off and hide like the rest of them or stay here and take it like a bee-hatch.

Shame bullitt did a runner. Would have liked to hear him explain O'Briens performance in the same way you addressed Mike Ross's dominance. What about 10-15 mins in when O'Brien and DOC turned Haskell over .

What's there to hide from? I said before the game that on form England should win it, but they could well not because of all the other factors that come into a 6Nations game that aren't anything to do with form. As it turned out, Ireland played out of their skins and deservedly won, which I've also already congratulated them on.

Having a whinge about the reffing of the scrum is something I do after almost every test match, because frankly I think iRB refs are pretty shite in that department. That doesn't mean you have to talk through the massive chip on your shoulder that's obsessed with the idea that all the English fans here were certain of victory and are blaming the defeat on the referee. On rugbydump and on here, and on the interviews with the England team and management, all I'm seeing is people going 'Oh ****, we were second best today'.

So, I repeat, stop being so ******* smug the minute your team has put in its only good performance in 2 years.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Where was that established?

Like two posts above where MM said he has it from a reliable source (and considering where he works/who he works with I'll take his word for it) that they set out to rile up Hartley, Youngs, Ashton and Cueto...