Ireland vs England

[ORothlain]

Where was this sort of fire at during the previous 6 Nations Matches?
Fantastic Win for O'Driscoll and Co.

 

[Peat]

The one scrum non-penalty that had me going "Wtf" was when England got a charge on, the Irish pack was disintegrating in front of it, one of Eoin Reddan or David Wallace was behind Nick Easter trying to fish the ball out from between his feet... and nothing.

But there we go.

 

[smartcooky]

That ref was ******* abismal - the only way irish won because they were enabled to constantly high tackle, not roll away, stand up in scrums 3/4 times in a row with no consequence and go offside and in at the side at the rucks. And the ref gave an ridiculous yellow card to England :0 I;d be fine if the Irish won on the back of playing well or because England played badly, it's just so disappointing and embarassing for rugby in general. Irish should be ashamed at that win and that ref should be taken outside and shot.

Congratulations! You seem to have mastered the skill of packing lots of crap into short posts.

 

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Referee: Ireland .v. England

1. Why do we have to have southern hemisphere referee in the six nations competition?
2. Why are we not able to complain about the referee at half time and as of law we are able to ask for a new referee?
3. Why are commentators not allowed to tell the truth at half time and full time when they know full well what has happened is true...is it protocol or BULLSHIT?

 

[Feicarsinn]

Boo. Hoo.

 

[best_fullback]

I seriously have to laugh at the people complaining that the reason we lost was because of the referee - absolute ********. How delusional are you? Take off your rose-tinted specs and open your eyes to what actually happened. Ireland absolutely played us off the park in the first half and the game was over before half time. Youngs and Ashton also completely lost their heads in the Aviva cauldron and Johnson was right to drag Youngs off after the sin bin. You can however proportion that on their youth and international inexperience - they will cope better in years to come.

The Irish tactics were exceptional and perfectly executed. Heaslip, Wallace and Sexton were absolutely fantastic. It just annoys me that England can't seem to raise themselves for such an occasion as Ireland clearly can. Ireland were running off a lot of passion today, something I have not seen in an England team since the Lansdown Road decider in 2003, and they were putting their bodies on the line with 100% commitment for 80 mins and you could not say about the English team.

Very well done Ireland - performance of the tournament.

 

[monkeypigeon]

1. Why do we have to have southern hemisphere referee in the six nations competition?
2. Why are we not able to complain about the referee at half time and as of law we are able to ask for a new referee?
3. Why are commentators not allowed to tell the truth at half time and full time when they know full well what has happened is true...is it protocol or BULLSHIT?

1. What difference does it make where he's from.
2. Apart from the fact that that would be a general mess. A) You can never undermine the ref's authority and secondly, given how few international ref's there are no international coach is going to risk future matches by complaining about the ref and it would be about two years before the likes of Gatland would have ****** off every itnernational ref in the world.
3. Commentators do tell the truth. Brian Moore is a trained (or trainee?) ref and regularly disagrees with refs calls...as he has the benefit of tv cameras and replays.

The ref wasn't bad today.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Brian Moore is a trained (or trainee?) ref

Trained - refed one match and left injured before half time :lol:

 

[j-dawg]

Agree that the ref didn't know what he was doing in the scrum, the Irish tighthead continually popped up on one occasion and the crowd at the club were not happy. That said it wouldn't have made alot of difference. Ireland played absoloutley superb and wanted it badly, it showed on the pitch. England left their grand slam aspirations at twickenham.

Ireland were running off a lot of passion today, something I have not seen in an England team since the Lansdown Road decider in 2003,

Why do people always make these sort of comparrisons? 'This is the biggest match since 2003' 'The biggest win since 2003' I remember england playing with passion against Australia and New zealand after Lansdown Road 2003. I remember england playing with passion against Australia and France in 2007. I remember england playing with passion against Australia in June and November.

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

1. What difference does it make where he's from.

To be fair, South African refs tend to be far less harsh on the breakdown. Not arguing with you though. You are, afterall, right.

Ref wasn't bad. The Irish looked really up for it, that was the difference. England expected it would just happen.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Congratulations England, poor 6 Nations but England best of the worst by a mile.

 

[Duckdee]

Twelvetrees needs to play for Leicester before making the first squad. And why has everyone stopped mentioning Allen, just as I've started to see what he can do?

As for the game, bleh, one poor performance does not a disaster make.

 

[j-dawg]

As for the game, bleh, one poor performance does not a disaster make.

Tell that to every New zealand team since 1987

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Twelvetrees needs to play for Leicester before making the first squad.

I don't understand why he isn't =/ (playing for Tigers, that is) - He was getting more game time, and looking better and better, then nothing
If they're not careful he'll move somewhere he'll get decent game time

 

[gingergenius]

All I can say is well done Ireland. They played like the 2009 vintage, and England didn't match it. We're capable of beating most teams on our day, but besides the Italy game we still haven't shone - certainly best team over 5 matches but not looking at all good enough to beat New Zealand etc.

Onto complaints - not that I thought it would have changed the result, but Lawrence was very poor. The dissallowed BOD try looked absolutely fine, didn't see any forward pass there. Youngs going to the bin was akin to van Persie's red the other week in terms of ludicrousness. The scrum reffing was shocking. 1st scrum aside, Ireland were wheeling and going backwards or up, especially after Ross came off. Every time that should have been an England penalty, and almost every time the scrum was reset. I say this time and time again, but we might as well not bother with props if scrum dominance isn't rewarded.

Next complaint is to sod's law - why is it every time we're on a Grand Slam we get an away fixture at a Celtic side to finish off? They always raise their game to ruin the party - if Ireland had played to form that game would have been in the bag - trust English luck that they pulled out the first performance that fulfills their potential since 2009.

Now onto our centres, who are shocking. I hope today's evidence rests any case anyone's ever had about Banahan being a 13. The job of a centre occasionally requires passing, which neither of our centres are capable of.

Finally, to Ronan O'Gara who needs a citing for a seemingly unprovoked swing at Ashton. He may be a lippy Northerner, but sticks and stones...

All in all, winning the 6N means **** all without a Grand Slam, but this does show that England are moving forwards. Bring on 2015 (by which time we might have found some centres and more experience).

Man of the tournament, without any shadow of a doubt, goes to James Haskell, who was immense once more today even on a losing side.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Man of the tournament, without any shadow of a doubt, goes to James Haskell, who was immense once more today even on a losing side.

Agree completely.
Ashton will win every award going because of the media jizzing over his tries, but Haskell has been standout - Got through a f**kload of work, ran hard, carried well, never tired, and was just generally surprisingly good.
I expected him to be Halfwit-Haskell but I'm shocked at how impressive he's looked

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Okay... How do the English feel about this victory? Is this a real Six Nations victory or is it more a disappointment from missing the Grand Slam win?

 

[coonor]

2 things out side the actual match summed it up for me today.

1) The atmosphere. The best so far at the Aviva. The Irish fans got behind their team and that kept the intensity up and Ireland looked like they wanted to win it more. The Fields of Athenry was sung on numerous actions throughout the match while Swing Low Sweet Chariot was unheard and I can't remember the last 6 nations game when England fans didn't sing Sweet chariot

2) When Eddie Butler said said during Englands conversion "You can add on the 2 points now it Jonny Wilkinson" He missed that showed that England were misfiring all around the pitch and everyone knew including the commentators that something was very wrong.

England should still be proud and they have been by far the best team. Things just didn't click for them today against an Irish team that needed to prove something.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Okay... How do the English feel about this victory? Is this a real Six Nations victory or is it more a disappointment from missing the Grand Slam win?

The latter - I don't really care about winning the Six Nations at all, it's the grandslam that counts

(that's not to say I won't be bringing it up whenever people slag off England :lol

 

[Peat]

Twelvetrees needs to play for Leicester before making the first squad. And why has everyone stopped mentioning Allen, just as I've started to see what he can do?

As for the game, bleh, one poor performance does not a disaster make.

Welcome to the light.

It might just be despair at knowing Jonno will never pick him. But I'd love Allen to be involved.

And you're totally right, its not a disaster. A far more experienced side taught a lesson to a bunch of pups in a pressure game. It happens. Its pretty much standard actually.

edit: Also, I'm happy just to win the 6N. The Grand Slam would have been beyond dreaming. Yes, England have been that dire recently.

Also, Haskell's done a lot of good carrying and made some big hits, but the simple truth is the England pack have been bullied at the breakdown too often for any England back-row forward to be named player of the tournament. I'm not sure we can carry him and Easter against the best teams - both don't do enough at the breakdown. This is particularly true when missing Lawes. That said, Haskell has had a good tournament.