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An Tarbh
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nor Ireland's either.
nor Ireland's either.
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danny
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It all points to an appalling game at croke park!
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feicarsinn
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well i cant say im too upset about the decline of pick and go tbh! England will come strong again sooner or later and then they'll most likely retake the role of the big oppostion in the championship for ireland
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Mr.cyclopede
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I agree with you Danny and I'm also happy to see this game less and less used by England, as I already told it 2 years when they beat us in the 6N, with a wonderfull and young team and players like Cipriani.
Of course the weather is a major factor about the day game, but for example, I'm not quite sure that these picks and go, which only offered them a best second seat, was a so nice option for Bath.
So totally approve the new rules around the ruck, and a bit less about the maul. Find the maul much more technical and dynamic than pick and go (contineous game, standing players,...), and without forgetting than oppositely to the picks, if you were going backward, you were loosing the ball possession
Of course the weather is a major factor about the day game, but for example, I'm not quite sure that these picks and go, which only offered them a best second seat, was a so nice option for Bath.
So totally approve the new rules around the ruck, and a bit less about the maul. Find the maul much more technical and dynamic than pick and go (contineous game, standing players,...), and without forgetting than oppositely to the picks, if you were going backward, you were loosing the ball possession
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An Tarbh
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obviously I'm not a fan of the rolling maul being pretty much gone but Munster and Leinster have adapted their games successfully enough without it, so it shouldn't be an issue for Ireland.
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shtove
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Didn't Murphy save a certain try against France two years ago? Jumped in to their attack out wide five metres from our line and intercepted.
But I agree on the turnstile stuff (same match, I think).
Still, I have as much faith in him as I've had in Ireland all these years. One more chance. Go for it.
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Didn't Murphy save a certain try against France two years ago? Jumped in to their attack out wide five metres from our line and intercepted.
But I agree on the turnstile stuff (same match, I think).
Still, I have as much faith in him as I've had in Ireland all these years. One more chance. Go for it.
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shtove
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Fixed.
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elgringoborracho
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I just read George Hook's article on the rté site, and I am quite amused by its conclusion.
"Ireland will want to steer clear of playing fast and loose in this game and they may be able to do so as, depending on the weather, it could be a scrum and lineout match. If O'Gara can control the game, he can also make it into a slugfest, which the French won't want. The other crucial factor is that in Nigel Owens, Ireland have gotten the right referee. With Owens in charge, they may be able to hold on to possession for long periods and if France find that they can't get their hands on the ball, they may become frustrated.So, even though France are stronger and are the type of side Ireland don't like playing against, I think this has actually become quite a narrow contest.
But I still think France are going to win."
At first I thought : well that's got to be rare, in France you would never see a journalist say that we are going to lose, except maybe against the AB's when they're at home. Apart from that they are always very optimistic, not necessarily because they underestimate the opponent, but because it sells more newspapers and brings more people in front of their TV.
Then I realized I have read so many of those sorts of statements everywhere in the UK and Irish press during the 6N over the years.
Aren't you guys just a little bit hypocritical?
"Ireland will want to steer clear of playing fast and loose in this game and they may be able to do so as, depending on the weather, it could be a scrum and lineout match. If O'Gara can control the game, he can also make it into a slugfest, which the French won't want. The other crucial factor is that in Nigel Owens, Ireland have gotten the right referee. With Owens in charge, they may be able to hold on to possession for long periods and if France find that they can't get their hands on the ball, they may become frustrated.So, even though France are stronger and are the type of side Ireland don't like playing against, I think this has actually become quite a narrow contest.
But I still think France are going to win."
At first I thought : well that's got to be rare, in France you would never see a journalist say that we are going to lose, except maybe against the AB's when they're at home. Apart from that they are always very optimistic, not necessarily because they underestimate the opponent, but because it sells more newspapers and brings more people in front of their TV.
Then I realized I have read so many of those sorts of statements everywhere in the UK and Irish press during the 6N over the years.
Aren't you guys just a little bit hypocritical?
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An Tarbh
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nothing out of the ordinary in what Hook is saying, he's always like that. You either love him or you hate. There's times he'll talk utter shite while other times he'll be bang on the money.
How is what he said hypocritical?
How is what he said hypocritical?
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An Tarbh
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Some of the criticism of the French over here has been bang out of order. Wood talking utter nonsense the other day about Lievremont's experimentation, basically saying he's disrespecting the competition. He's doing nothing of the sort. There's only 3 changes from the side that beat Australia, 6 of the pack started against Ireland in the corresponding fixture. If you're gonna give an interview make sure you've got your facts straight.
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elgringoborracho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Feb 6 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hypocritical is not exactly the word I was lookin for, blame it on my poor vocabulary.
What I'm trying to say is that a french would say about the opponent "they are strong, have wonderful players, but we're still going to beat them", when I often read in UK and Irish newspapers "the french are bloody good, you never know what to expect bla bla bla. So we might lose against them" (Hook's conclusion basically).
The truth in their minds being : "hope we beat the crap out of those rosbeef/leprechaun/garlic eaters"
We call it "intox" in France but I'm not sure chat the word is in english... :huh:
Hypocritical is not exactly the word I was lookin for, blame it on my poor vocabulary.
What I'm trying to say is that a french would say about the opponent "they are strong, have wonderful players, but we're still going to beat them", when I often read in UK and Irish newspapers "the french are bloody good, you never know what to expect bla bla bla. So we might lose against them" (Hook's conclusion basically).
The truth in their minds being : "hope we beat the crap out of those rosbeef/leprechaun/garlic eaters"
We call it "intox" in France but I'm not sure chat the word is in english... :huh:
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shazbooger
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I thought Australia beat France in the AI's?
On the opinions. Its the same everywhere. People like to listen to those they either have a bit of faith in, or those whos opinion will agree with their own. You can easily trawl through the papers and read what you want to read.
Hook has always been the pessamist, and Francis is more cynical than the average pundit. I dont really pay much attention to Hook myself. Just like Eamon Dunphy he's made his reputation on voiceing the contraversial opinion. On TV when balanced with O'Shea and Pope it works, but on radio or print, its just a soapbox.
Wood, Glennon, Toland etc all go the other way and tend to be more optimistic/hopeful.
Keep in mind, the vast majority of the Irish press are predicting an Irish win this weekend. They wouldnt usually be THAT optimistic. Hook is the exception rather than the norm.
On the opinions. Its the same everywhere. People like to listen to those they either have a bit of faith in, or those whos opinion will agree with their own. You can easily trawl through the papers and read what you want to read.
Hook has always been the pessamist, and Francis is more cynical than the average pundit. I dont really pay much attention to Hook myself. Just like Eamon Dunphy he's made his reputation on voiceing the contraversial opinion. On TV when balanced with O'Shea and Pope it works, but on radio or print, its just a soapbox.
Wood, Glennon, Toland etc all go the other way and tend to be more optimistic/hopeful.
Keep in mind, the vast majority of the Irish press are predicting an Irish win this weekend. They wouldnt usually be THAT optimistic. Hook is the exception rather than the norm.
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An Tarbh
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a match they would have won had it not been for Skrela's missed kicks.
The performance from the pack was a vast improvement on what it had been in the Six Nations so Lievremont has stuck with most of them. Woody is just talking through his hole.
The performance from the pack was a vast improvement on what it had been in the Six Nations so Lievremont has stuck with most of them. Woody is just talking through his hole.
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elgringoborracho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Feb 6 2009, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<_< Sadly I don't have much choice in France if I want english-speaking press, so I read what I find!
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We didn't beat Australia, but we came close.
I would just like to know what french team Wood would have then. Mine doesn't differ much from the one we are going to see on Saturday.
<_< Sadly I don't have much choice in France if I want english-speaking press, so I read what I find!
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We didn't beat Australia, but we came close.
I would just like to know what french team Wood would have then. Mine doesn't differ much from the one we are going to see on Saturday.
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elgringoborracho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Feb 6 2009, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Well thank you for completing my press review then
Well thank you for completing my press review then
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An Tarbh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Feb 6 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<_< Sadly I don't have much choice in France if I want english-speaking press, so I read what I find!
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We didn't beat Australia, but we came close.
I would just like to know what french team Wood would have then. Mine doesn't differ much from the one we are going to see on Saturday.
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that's the problem with modern journalism and media coverage, pundits allowed to make their statements yet not backed up with the right question by the interviewer. It's the same in press conferences and post match interviews, journalists cower behind the easy question while pundits in the studio will slate those involved, then the same journalists will rip into various decisions and poor calls in their own articles.
<_< Sadly I don't have much choice in France if I want english-speaking press, so I read what I find!
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We didn't beat Australia, but we came close.
I would just like to know what french team Wood would have then. Mine doesn't differ much from the one we are going to see on Saturday.
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that's the problem with modern journalism and media coverage, pundits allowed to make their statements yet not backed up with the right question by the interviewer. It's the same in press conferences and post match interviews, journalists cower behind the easy question while pundits in the studio will slate those involved, then the same journalists will rip into various decisions and poor calls in their own articles.
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gingergenius
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Personally I'm picking a France win.
Why?
well, for starters, Ireland really haven't done well at Crok Park. They lost there to the French 2 years ago, they lost there to Wales last year and unless my memory fails me they've yet to take a big SH scalp there...
the one exception being England. And I've done the tour of Croke Park, and for the only hour in my life, I felt guilty for being English because of the sheer history of the place. So I can see why we got ****** on 2 years ago.
Next, I think Ireland are very similar to England 3 or 4 years ago. Ie. they've got a few good players who are starting to head over the hill, and plenty of young talent that's been talked about but haven't yet made a mark on the international scene. I don't rate them as a very good side atm... if it weren't for the fixture list I'd say they had about as much chance of a grand slam as England.
Also, with regards to France, there are some very good players there... they will have, as always, quality throughout the side. There's not really much reason for me to think they've got a big performance coming up, but I have a gut feeling they'll sneak it. I'm also delighted Beauxis is picked at 10. Skrela is a crock of ****, I'd rather have Andy Goode than him tbh. Michalak we know is very flaky, and Trinh-Duc is good but not incredible. Beauxis on the other hand, I've always been impressed by...
Why?
well, for starters, Ireland really haven't done well at Crok Park. They lost there to the French 2 years ago, they lost there to Wales last year and unless my memory fails me they've yet to take a big SH scalp there...
the one exception being England. And I've done the tour of Croke Park, and for the only hour in my life, I felt guilty for being English because of the sheer history of the place. So I can see why we got ****** on 2 years ago.
Next, I think Ireland are very similar to England 3 or 4 years ago. Ie. they've got a few good players who are starting to head over the hill, and plenty of young talent that's been talked about but haven't yet made a mark on the international scene. I don't rate them as a very good side atm... if it weren't for the fixture list I'd say they had about as much chance of a grand slam as England.
Also, with regards to France, there are some very good players there... they will have, as always, quality throughout the side. There's not really much reason for me to think they've got a big performance coming up, but I have a gut feeling they'll sneak it. I'm also delighted Beauxis is picked at 10. Skrela is a crock of ****, I'd rather have Andy Goode than him tbh. Michalak we know is very flaky, and Trinh-Duc is good but not incredible. Beauxis on the other hand, I've always been impressed by...
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monkeypigeon
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The Radio just told me that Kearney is passed fit.
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MunsterMan
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I love the radio
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monkeypigeon
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Yeah, me too. did you hear that Video Killed the radio-star?
I was very upset by that. But so long as it continues giving me wonderful news it'll always be a star to me,
I was very upset by that. But so long as it continues giving me wonderful news it'll always be a star to me,
