2018 NatWest Six Nations: Round 1 - France v Ireland

[Leonormous Boozer]

Here - just had a thought. What about J10 to.... J12? Then Carbery to 10.

Would give him a bit of protection from the backrow rather than leaving him quite exposed at 12.

Although, would Carbery be able to make the appropriate kick/pass selection? (not so worried about kick execution, he's pretty good feet on him)

With Sexton barking outside him I wouldn't be too worried with that and if they followed the Ford Farrell prototype Sexton will get plenty of time at 1st receiver. Right now with our centres being just as big, if not a bigger reason than Kearney for our blunt attack it should definitely be considered if nothing progresses this Championship.

 

[munstermuffin]

Seems Larmour Carbery Toner Murphy and John Ryan will start this one.

 

[FrenchFan]

ESPN: "Six Nations: Disciplinary action not ruled out over France v Ireland HIAs"

Looking at the situation the union is now. Can't think of a better way to finish them off. LNR and many others will applaud a ban. This will add to the on-going charges for corruption filed against Laporte and bring more disrepute to the union. Not like they need it atm.
The 6N committee will be doing the devil's work for LNR and the rest of the Top 14. Well done............

 

[Which Tyler]

Looking at the situation the union is now. Can't think of a better way to finish them off. LNR and many others will applaud a ban. This will add to the on-going charges filed against Laporte and bring more disrepute to the union. Not like they need it atm.
The 6N committee will be doing the devil's work for LNR and the rest of the Top 14. Well done............

I'm still not sure who they want to disciplin.
The HIA was called for by the Kiwi Touch Judge; and once the call for the HIA has been given, then an HIA has to be given.
The closest thing to a fault here is the FFR hiring an FFR employee to be the independent medical officer - which is either extremely stupid of them; or a fault with WR for not making it explicit.

 

[Nubiwan]

A somewhat forgettable international, if I am being honest. Capped with an incredible Sexton dropper. 94 phases I counted in that last Ireland possession. I am known to exaggerate. Thought Ireland's number 8 (Stander?) stood out. Henderson too. The French are not much to write home about, and conditions perhaps contrived to even things out. Disappointing from a neutral perspective.

 

[Nubiwan]

I'm still not sure who they want to disciplin.
The HIA was called for by the Kiwi Touch Judge; and once the call for the HIA has been given, then an HIA has to be given.
The closest thing to a fault here is the FFR hiring an FFR employee to be the independent medical officer - which is either extremely stupid of them; or a fault with WR for not making it explicit.

Yes, the lad limped off the field with some scar tissue holding his left ankle in place, and there is an international board ref asking the Doc is it an HIA? Duh! Earth to Welsh Ref!!!!

So essentially a couple of French players get assessed for their 'actual' injuries during a HIA time out, and the option to return. In the interim, the French 9 is allowed to re-enter the game because of it. Totally ridiculous manipulation that a fool would be hard pressed to miss. If the French player passed the HIA, then he should have been forced to re-enter the game on his single leg. Le Peg Leg as they say en francais.

 

[Which Tyler]

You still need to explain how Paul Williams, the Touch Judge from New Zealand is now French. Until you can do that, then you don't have a French conspiracy to get an HIA done.

You also need to explain exactly how it is impossible for a player to injure both their knee and their head.

 

[Nubiwan]

You still need to explain how Paul Williams, the Touch Judge from New Zealand is now French. Until you can do that, then you don't have a French conspiracy to get an HIA done.

You also need to explain exactly how it is impossible for a player to injure both their knee and their head.

Looked dubious at best. Who said the touchy was French?

Did the player pass the HIA? My guess is he did, with flying colours. I thought so. Jonny Sexton thought so, and Nigel Owen asked the French Doctor enough times to suggest he probably thought so too, but just needed to hear the doc confirm an HIA.

 

[Which Tyler]

Well, you're blaming the French for a decision made by a Kiwi
Unless you're a specialist neurologist, it doesn't really matter what your opinion was, even less so Jonny or Nige. The TJ saw something and called for an HIA. At that point only Nige is able to countermand it, and there is absolutely no way that he would do so.
Nige never spoke to the French Doc.
Nige was also being wrong in this instance. The HIA was called by the TJ, and relayed onto the field by Nige, who knew full well who made the call. It's out of the doctor's hands at this stage, and rests entirely with Nige.

So, how come it's impossible for someone to injure both their head and their knee? The entirety of your argument lies on this impossibility. If it is possible or, the the damage to his knee is utterly irrelevant to any potential head damage.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Fact is, the HIA system is easy to cheat and lots of people are going to cheat it.

That's a price we're going to have to pay if we're going to wuthout exception prioritise a very serious health issue over the question of fairness in a game.

Seriously, we can maybe tinker the system and make it a little bit better, but the only way to really solve the problem this raises is for everyone involved in rugby to get their priorities straight.

 

[munstermuffin]

The big issue is a serious HIA needs more than a 10 min assessment. And it needs to be a case of getting players educated too and all other personnel that your health is much more valuable than a result

 

[Every Time Ref]

I agree entirely education is everything - not just players and officials, but fans as well. People who watch the game need to accept that if erring in the side of caution causes your team to suffer on the pitch and makes you feel hard done by then tough ****.