Ireland v England - 19 August 2023

[McTallshort]

Ireland appear to enjoy playing, it looks like a chore for England

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Literally Edwards would be perfect right now, England predictably s*** Theo Dan & Smith at least looked lively and if anyone had half supported them properly may well have made something of it. Atleast the scoreline wasn't as bad as I had thought, thankfully Ireland didn't go above 3rd gear.

Edwards: Head Coach,
Diamond: Forwards,
Forshaw: Defence,
Blackett: Attack

If that collection of accents can't scare some life into these public school boys then we're beyond hope

 

[McTallshort]

Hey! It's Keith Earls 100th cap! Just incase you missed it

 

[Jimbo]

Edwards: Head Coach,
Diamond: Forwards,
Forshaw: Defence,
Blackett: Attack

If that collection of accents can't scare some life into these public school boys then we're beyond hope

Indeed the attack wouldn't become world beating over night but improving physically, defence and work rate would go a hell of a long way.

 

[munstermuffin]

Paddy Wallace of all people with a great stat.

"Keith Earls on his 1st cap and 100th cap had 2 touches and results in 2 tries against 2 tier 2 teams"

 

[McTallshort]

Paddy Wallace of all people with a great stat.

"Keith Earls on his 1st cap and 100th cap had 2 touches and results in 2 tries against 2 tier 2 teams"

Wait! Was it Keith Earls 100th cap?

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

With only 3 or 4 exceptions most people would have picked a similar RWC squad. The player base is what it is - it's not stellar but it's OK.

The coach's job is to make the team greater than the sum of its individual parts. There has been literally no indication of that. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Sweet FA.

The barest minimum requirement is organised, disciplined and energetic and we're none of those.

 

[Jimbo]

Paddy Wallace of all people with a great stat.

"Keith Earls on his 1st cap and 100th cap had 2 touches and results in 2 tries against 2 tier 2 teams"

At least the gaps closing world ranked NO1 only manage to put 29 points on a T2 nation at home.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

"How much emphasis in the England camp this week was just on tackling lower?"

Hahahah, what a question - even Lawes had to take a second to laugh before answering

Edit: Very diplomatic from him in the very loaded question after where she tried to get him to call Billy and Owen dirty players "reverting to type"

 

[Booboobang]

With only 3 or 4 exceptions most people would have picked a similar RWC squad. The player base is what it is - it's not stellar but it's OK.

The coach's job is to make the team greater than the sum of its individual parts. There has been literally no indication of that. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Sweet FA.

The barest minimum requirement is organised, disciplined and energetic and we're none of those.

I agree, but also, the 3/4 exceptions (I would say a few more) are pretty large and left massive holes in the squad. You expect a coach to pick the best available players and implement a game plan thats suit those players strengths. Borthwick has done neither.

 

[munstermuffin]

At least the gaps closing world ranked NO1 only manage to put 29 points on a T2 nation at home.

100% but we are only warming up for world cup not flat out yet. and pity the tier 2 nations aren't learning from previous mistakes and tackling. Although Saracens plan to rest lads is working

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

A man just gave me a Johnny Sexton scarf. Life is peaking

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If a home ground is worth 7pts and a red card is worth 14pts then technically England won that game

Must suck to be Ireland right now

 

[Jimbo]

I agree, but also, the 3/4 exceptions (I would say a few more) are pretty large and left massive holes in the squad. You expect a coach to pick the best available players and implement a game plan thats suit those players strengths. Borthwick has done neither.

This, we know it didn't go well in the six nations but SB seems to just want more of the same and somehow expect a different outcome, it's the very definition of insanity.

 

[higgik]

Please can we not get out of group, then pick a group of players who are hungry.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Beautiful Irish brogue on Andy Farrell

Might just sack in supporting England, North West is best (but not the North North West, where Borthwick is from)

Very diplomatic from him as they tried to lead him into trashing his son on live TV as well

 

[Booboobang]

Tbh, this just comes down to the RFU making a clanger of a choice in hiring brothwick, Eddie wasnt working, a change was needed, they went with a continuaton candidate who learned under eddie with little experience who hasnt shown much ability to adapt styles at club rugby. Bill sweeney needs to go.

 

[higgik]

I agree, but also, the 3/4 exceptions (I would say a few more) are pretty large and left massive holes in the squad. You expect a coach to pick the best available players and implement a game plan thats suit those players strengths. Borthwick has done neither.

SB has a gameplan, but

1) it doesnt fit the player profile
2) he is either not communicating it or it us too complex.

 

[higgik]

So,
Who is going to start with the 23 for Argentina???

 

[Jimbo]

SB has a gameplan, but

1) it doesnt fit the player profile
2) he is either not communicating it or it us too complex.

Simple Steve is not capable of creating a complex game plan.