Thats the big difference. No Wilkinson, no Kay, no Robinson, even players like Easter and Moody seemed to have more about them. Borthwicks team as a coach looks a lot like his team as captain. Player discipline all over the place, occasionally playing well but always getting turned over by the better teams. I feel a bit for players like Itoje, Ford, George, Watson who should be enjoying being the senior players in a firing international team like the Irish,Saffa, and even Scottish players but instead they are part of another "rebuilding" process that follows a pattern of high penalty counts and underwhelming performance.