Ireland Training Squad

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Take a bow Declan Kidney. His 33 man Ireland training squad has 11 Munster, 11 Ulster, 10 Leinster and 1 Connacht player. So Leinster who've won 3 of the last 4 Heineken Cups and been in the last 3 Pro12 finals on the trot are the 3rd highest represented Irish province.

IRELAND Training Squad (33):

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
Sean Cronin (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
Declan Fitzpatrick (Dungannon/Ulster)
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Iain Henderson (Queen's University/Ulster)
Chris Henry (Ballymena/Ulster)
Denis Hurley (Dolphin/Munster)
Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Mike McCarthy (Buccaneers/Connacht)
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Kevin McLaughlin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
David O'Callaghan (Dolphin/Munster)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster)
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Dan Tuohy (Ballymena/Ulster)
Damien Varley (Garryowen/Munster)
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster)

Good to see Luke Marshall in there though I suspect he along with Iain Henderson and Dave O'Callaghan are just tackle bag holders.

Denis Hurley doesn't deserve a place in an Ireland squad. Coincidentally, he's attached to Declan Kidney's club, Dolphin. Damien Varley is rubbish too. His Munster team mate Mike Sherry is a better player.

Ian Keatley, Craig Gilroy, Ian Madigan and Devin Toner can feel hard done by.

Thankfully he's learned at least one lesson and dispensed with Ronan Loughney.

 

[big ginger 8]

For **** sake.

 

[Conal]

its just a trainng squad the actual autamn internationals will be a diffrent squad

While a further squad will be announced for the GUINNESS Series in late October following the completion of the second round of the Heineken Cup, this training squad reflects a mixture of internationals and younger players who have been gaining experience in the early part of the season.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/27189.php

therefore i think its a step forward for a few youngsters and low cap players

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

It will be different but this is a guideline to what the failed coach is thinking. People like Denis Hurley, Chris Henry, Mike McCarthy and Damien Varley don't deserve to be there. If giving younger players and possible future internationals a taste of things to come is the purpose of the squad, guys like Craig Gilroy, Tiernan O'Halloran, Eoin Griffin, JJ Hanrahan, Ian Keatley, Paddy Jackson, Ian Madigan, Mike Sherry, Jamie Hagan and Devin Toner deserve a call up. I welcome the inclusion of Dave O'Callaghan, Luke Marshall and Iain Henderson.

What I gleam from this squad is that the players who went to New Zealand in the summer are virtually all good enough for the coach. He's letting them off the hook for a 60-0 humiliation. Such an attitude won't breed success, it'll merely foster an attitude where second best is deemed acceptable.

A positive from a Leinster point of view is that Joe Schmidt gets to work with the bulk of his squad while Camp Kidney is in operation. Ian Madigan for example won't be poisoned by negative Ireland tactics for another while longer.

 

[Conal]

It will be different but this is a guideline to what the failed coach is thinking. People like Denis Hurley, Chris Henry, Mike McCarthy and Damien Varley don't deserve to be there. If giving younger players and possible future internationals a taste of things to come is the purpose of the squad, guys like Craig Gilroy, Tiernan O'Halloran, Eoin Griffin, JJ Hanrahan, Ian Keatley, Paddy Jackson, Ian Madigan, Mike Sherry, Jamie Hagan and Devin Toner deserve a call up. I welcome the inclusion of Dave O'Callaghan, Luke Marshall and Iain Henderson.

What I gleam from this squad is that the players who went to New Zealand in the summer are virtually all good enough for the coach. He's letting them off the hook for a 60-0 humiliation. Such an attitude won't breed success, it'll merely foster an attitude where second best is deemed acceptable.

A positive from a Leinster point of view is that Joe Schmidt gets to work with the bulk of his squad while Camp Kidney is in operation. Ian Madigan for example won't be poisoned by negative Ireland tactics for another while longer.

dam your logic i just wanted a small glimmer of hope that things might just get better with kidney this year

darn you snoop darn you

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

There is hope. He's currently head coach of Leinster and should be the Ireland boss before too long.

 

[lucky number 7]

Christ...

How difficult a ****ing job is it to look at rugby and then pick the players who perform the best.

That in essence is his job. I'd love if he just ****ed off now and let Leinsters ray of sunshine guide us to back to back world cups.

 

[big ginger 8]

I don't like it but at least he should be gone after the 6n.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

http://www.kidneyclock.net/

 

[welshglory]

http://www.kidneyclock.net/

:lol: You gotta love the internet

 

[lynam1104]

http://www.kidneyclock.net/

I have that on my favorites, it's depressing.

Anyway the squad, well ****. It's cruel that we came so close in the second test as going by the IRFU's past logic it should get Kidney a renewal...

 

[Feicarsinn]

lulz

 

[Jockstap]

Take a bow Declan Kidney. His 33 man Ireland training squad has 11 Munster, 11 Ulster, 10 Leinster and 1 Connacht player. So Leinster who've won 3 of the last 4 Heineken Cups and been in the last 3 Pro12 finals on the trot are the 3rd highest represented Irish province.



Good to see Luke Marshall in there though I suspect he along with Iain Henderson and Dave O'Callaghan are just tackle bag holders.

Denis Hurley doesn't deserve a place in an Ireland squad. Coincidentally, he's attached to Declan Kidney's club, Dolphin. Damien Varley is rubbish too. His Munster team mate Mike Sherry is a better player.

Ian Keatley, Craig Gilroy, Ian Madigan and Devin Toner can feel hard done by.

Thankfully he's learned at least one lesson and dispensed with Ronan Loughney.

In fairness to Hurley, he's been playing some excellent stuff lately. Credit where credit is due.

 

[Peat]

Number of injury replacements if no one's seen them -

Zebo out, Gilroy in
D'Arcy out, Downey in
Reddan out, Marshall in
McCarthy out, Toner in
Fitzpatrick out, Loughney in
O'Gara out, Madigan in

In fairness to Kidney - and I can't believe I'm defending him - but his hands are slightly tied here. Leinster have a whole mort of injuries at the moment which explains their lesser representation vs the other provinces. Denis Hurley - he's too slow for international level, but with both Kearneys and Felix Jones not available, who do you pick for full-back? I'd have picked Duffy, but there'd be *****ing if he'd done that. Who else is there? He could have called up Gilroy and used him as a full-back in training, but you wouldn't want to try and get away with that in a full game.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Denis Hurley - he's too slow for international level, but with both Kearneys and Felix Jones not available, who do you pick for full-back?

Keith Earls has played fullback for Ireland in the past. Ian Keatley and Ian Madigan have played there for their clubs this season. All are stopgaps but they have an international future. Denis Hurley may be playing decently at the moment but nothing over the first 5 or 6 years of his career suggests he's close to international standard.

 

[Peat]

I'm assuming Earls is there as first choice full-back for the time being, with Hurley being the back-up/oppo.

Keatley and Madigan? To the best of my understanding, you could count the amount of games they've both played at full-back over the last couple of seasons on the fingers of a blind butcher. Would you really start them against South Africa at full-back ahead of Hurley? If the answer is yes, you are a far braver man than me. He took a fair bit of slagging off online after parachuting in Paddy Wallace when it emerged he'd not really had him in for squad training sessions (I'm splitting this off from the amount of slagging off he took for doing it in the first place) - yet people are now complaining that this time he's brought in the man who currently lies in the same position on the depth chart as Mincer did?

 

[welshglory]

It's just a training squad so i don't think positions really matter that much.

It's about time Downey was selected, Ireland haven't had a physically player in the backline since Shane Horgan.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

I'm assuming Earls is there as first choice full-back for the time being, with Hurley being the back-up/oppo.

Keatley and Madigan? To the best of my understanding, you could count the amount of games they've both played at full-back over the last couple of seasons on the fingers of a blind butcher. Would you really start them against South Africa at full-back ahead of Hurley?

It won't come to that. Rob Kearney will be fit, Keith Earls will be back up, Geordan Murphy would come out of retirement if needed and Gavin Duffy will be 4th choice. And yes, I'd start Madigan or Keatley ahead of him if necessary. Ireland would be screwed either way. May as well go for the players who'll have an international future beyond that one game.

 

[Feicarsinn]

It's just a training squad so i don't think positions really matter that much.

It's about time Downey was selected, Ireland haven't had a physically player in the backline since Shane Horgan.

Nope. Extremely average player in his early 30's. Pointless selection.

 

[welshglory]

Better than D'arcy or Paddy Wallace though.