Get your bets in for the All Black Squad for the june tests

[Dizzy]

Lol,... The same discussion went on throughout the World Cup.

The reason Kahui was on the wing WAS because he had a better all round game. Defensively he is a brick wall, knowing where he should be at the right time, he's a darn genius and with ball in hand he makes the gain line close to every time. Don't forget, it's a team sport. If the inside backs do their job properly, it makes it that much easier for Kahui.

The only reason you guys can afford to have such shitty defensive players in these positions is because of Conrad Smith and Dan Carter who basically do all of your backline defending.

Lol, well, when the opposition can't get passed the inside backs then how are the outside backs supposed to tackle them? They don't make it that far.

 

[nickdnz]

If the wing depth was that amazing in New Zealand then they wouldn't have played Richard Kahui there during the world cup. Simple. They have good attack but don't bring an all round game.

Put it this way, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Rob Kearney, Kurtley Beale or Joe Pietersen at the back than Dagg, Smith, Taylor or Robinson.

The only reason you guys can afford to have such shitty defensive players in these positions is because of Conrad Smith and Dan Carter who basically do all of your backline defending.

The problem with arguing with you, us that I don't think you have the first clue of what you are talking about, so struggle to know where to begin.

Richard Kahui was selected on the wing for several reasons:
1. Zac Guildford was being given down time after a drinking problem arose, and was lucky the squad was announced before the problem surfaced.
2. Israel Dagg was likely to be starting on the left wing when the teams were selected, but his form at fullback meant he had to be selected there, ahead of Muliaina.
3. Richard Kahui's previous outings have often been from the wing. Defensively he's one of the best backs in the world, and Henry and co. knew we'd win on the back of a great defense. He was one of the wingers of the tornement anyway, so I can't see what the problem was. Had Henry called in Gear, Rokocoko or Sivivatu instead of Zac Guildford, they may well have started as specialist wingers. Kahui is also seen by many as too good a player to leave out of the match day 22, but Conrad Smith is the best centre in the world so he had to be put somewhere. The French team actually had Aurélien Rougerie playing centre, so...
4. Henry and co said before the tornement that their selection of wingers would come down to the likely field conditions, so wet conditions of a New Zealand spring would mean that ball saftey would be key.

Other than a nonsensical argument that because a player is played on the wing whom is usually a centre, then all the wingers are bad, what is this based off?
Also what are your criticisms of Dagg and the other fullbacks based off? The All Blacks concede less tries than any team in the world, while scoring more tries than any other team, so I'd hardly criticise our defense.

 

[admartian]

If the wing depth was that amazing in New Zealand then they wouldn't have played Richard Kahui there during the world cup. Simple. They have good attack but don't bring an all round game.

Put it this way, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Rob Kearney, Kurtley Beale or Joe Pietersen at the back than Dagg, Smith, Taylor or Robinson.

The only reason you guys can afford to have such shitty defensive players in these positions is because of Conrad Smith and Dan Carter who basically do all of your backline defending.

Just wrong bro.

Kurley Beale is hardly a defensive monster. He's decent, combined with his speed, elsuiveness and attack prowess - make him an excellent Top 5 FB in the world. But by no means is he any better (defensively) than any of the NZ backs you so despise.

You're reaching for straws here mate, and I wouldn't be surprised with another red-herring argument from you in your next post.

Keep 'em coming though, the internet would not be as entertaining ass it is without (wrong) people like you! :lol:

Lol,... The same discussion went on throughout the World Cup.

The reason Kahui was on the wing WAS because he had a better all round game. Defensively he is a brick wall, knowing where he should be at the right time, he's a darn genius and with ball in hand he makes the gain line close to every time. Don't forget, it's a team sport. If the inside backs do their job properly, it makes it that much easier for Kahui.



Lol, well, when the opposition can't get passed the inside backs then how are the outside backs supposed to tackle them? They don't make it that far.

Bahaha absolutely.

In saying that, whenever Jane and/or Kahui is out there, I think we have one of the best, if not the best, defensive backfields in the game (Carter, Kahui, Nonu, Smith, Jane, Dagg).

The problem with arguing with you, us that I don't think you have the first clue of what you are talking about, so struggle to know where to begin.

Richard Kahui was selected on the wing for several reasons:
1. Zac Guildford was being given down time after a drinking problem arose, and was lucky the squad was announced before the problem surfaced.
2. Israel Dagg was likely to be starting on the left wing when the teams were selected, but his form at fullback meant he had to be selected there, ahead of Muliaina.
3. Richard Kahui's previous outings have often been from the wing. Defensively he's one of the best backs in the world, and Henry and co. knew we'd win on the back of a great defense. He was one of the wingers of the tornement anyway, so I can't see what the problem was. Had Henry called in Gear, Rokocoko or Sivivatu instead of Zac Guildford, they may well have started as specialist wingers. Kahui is also seen by many as too good a player to leave out of the match day 22, but Conrad Smith is the best centre in the world so he had to be put somewhere. The French team actually had Aurélien Rougerie playing centre, so...
4. Henry and co said before the tornement that their selection of wingers would come down to the likely fialed conditions, so wet conditions of a New Zealand spring would mean that ball saftey would be key.

Other than a nonsensical argument that because a player is played on the wing whom is usually a centre, then all the wingers are bad, what is this based off?
Also what are your criticisms of Dagg and the other fullbacks based off? The All Blacks concede less tries than any team in the world, while scoring more tries than any other team, so I'd hardly criticise our defense.

Excellent post from you, as always.

I don't know how anyone can criticise Kahui for not being defensive enough. That's probably wat got him selected to the ABs in the first place.

Yeah, the ABs are one of the best defensive teams in the world. I remember a Grand Slam tour of conceding maybe 1 try; definitely not more than 3 or 5(2009/2010 I think?).

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

We didn't concede a try against any of the home nations, but Munster scored one (or two).

 

[Black_Magic]

Also when props can do this:


The wingers must be amazing.

Especially the one that got beaten by Charlie in this clip

Speaking seriously, New Zealand has the best wingers in the world. Well, this is true for any position on the field anyway...

 

[big ginger 8]

We didn't concede a try against any of the home nations, but Munster scored one (or two).

In 08? 2010 you conceded two against Ireland and one vs England.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

In 08? 2010 you conceded two against Ireland and one vs England.

Yep!

Won:
32 - 6 v Scotland
22 - 3 v Ireland
29 - 9 v Wales
32 - 6 v England

 

[big ginger 8]

It is really hard to score when you can't get the ball in fairness think thats the All Blacks main defensive plan though obviously they do have a good sytem as well.

 

[Rhyer]

We will see in the Tri-Nations as an injured Irish team will be no threat. Then you can see how ''remarkable'' your players are. You can't deny that if Digby Ioane could play for the All Blacks you'd snap him up, he makes your defence look like crap every time he plays you because he exposes the weakness on defence in the back three. Go look world xv's and I think you'll find that a New Zealand back three player is very hard to come across.

But maybe you'd prefer to consider me a ''troll'' or a "WUM'' simply because you disagree with my points. You all seem to be very good arm chair coaches any way.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

Digby Ioane would walk into any international team - I'd happily snatch him up. He makes a mess of any defensive system because he's so fast and powerful.

 

[donmcdazzle]

If Hosea gear can't make the ABs then Ioane wouldn't. Not te style of player that fits the recent mould

 

[admartian]

We will see in the Tri-Nations as an injured Irish team will be no threat. Then you can see how ''remarkable'' your players are. You can't deny that if Digby Ioane could play for the All Blacks you'd snap him up, he makes your defence look like crap every time he plays you because he exposes the weakness on defence in the back three. Go look world xv's and I think you'll find that a New Zealand back three player is very hard to come across.

Lol no. We disagree 'cos you're wrong and nothing else! :lol:

Who's denying Digby!??!?!?

He's a powerful runner - who wouldn't want him?

 

[lucky number 7]

Sean O'Brien ...

 

[lucky number 7]

We will see in the Tri-Nations as an injured Irish team will be no threat. Then you can see how ''remarkable'' your players are. You can't deny that if Digby Ioane could play for the All Blacks you'd snap him up, he makes your defence look like crap every time he plays you because he exposes the weakness on defence in the back three. Go look world xv's and I think you'll find that a New Zealand back three player is very hard to come across.

But maybe you'd prefer to consider me a ''troll'' or a "WUM'' simply because you disagree with my points. You all seem to be very good arm chair coaches any way.

You're an awful pseudo intellectual poultice.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

If Hosea gear can't make the ABs then Ioane wouldn't. Not te style of player that fits the recent mould

Ioane is much better than Gear - he's a far safer player, and probably a bit more destructive.

 

[Amobokoboko]

Squad got announced, article here (squad at the bottom of the article).
No Messam, what does it take for him to get another chance? :s

 

[Amobokoboko]

With all the talent they have they should do fine. Happy to see some Chiefs players being picked always good to get some international experience in, altho some well deserved rest would be nice as well.

 

[Cave Dweller]

Squad got announced, article here (squad at the bottom of the article).
No Messam, what does it take for him to get another chance? :s

He is not a good enough cheater. The refs spot him quickly doing something illegal in the ruck. Not good enough for NZ

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Squad got announced, article here (squad at the bottom of the article).
No Messam, what does it take for him to get another chance? :s

to be honest he probably needs to loose a couple of years, Hansen looks to be looking at the next world cup already with some of these picks

In saying that Ellison got in and he's 28

not happy to see nonu, weepu and williams etc, this is the perfect time to cut them loose. I for one would rather loose the odd game now blooding a few guys rather than get to 2014 and realise we need someone new

 

[admartian]

He is not a good enough cheater. The refs spot him quickly doing something illegal in the ruck. Not good enough for NZ

Ouch.!

Even I can taste your pain and sour grapes on this side of the keyboard. :lol:


It's okay mate, it's okay. Let the tears flow. We're for ya.