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England vs Wales - 12/08/23

Can someone explain to me what Malins bring to an England shirt? He's not that quick, hasn't got any kind of step, not that big, and only appears average in the air. Granted I've not watched a lot of him in the prem, but there seem to be players with a lot more threat to them being omitted (Radwan being one example). The fact that he's had more game time than Arundel is also a little astonishing. So please, someone, let me know what I'm missing.
 
Well the main reason Arundell has had less game time is that he tends to spend a lot of time injured. Not 'astonishing' at all.

Radwan isn't the best example. He has a lot of talent, but by his own admission didn't have a brilliant season and is a bit lacking outside of the highlight reel moments. Some will say it was down to playing for Falcons, but that didn't stop Carreras from ripping it up. Murley OTOH …

Based upon Premiership form, Malins is there on merit. However, your overall assessment of his averageness is mostly fair. He's a good rugby player but he lacks the point of difference needed to be successful in test rugby.
 
Geordiefalcon said:
I like that team to be fair....got a bit of everything.
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Yeah … I feel the same but my confidence level with England is so low right now that I have no real faith of 'good on paper' translating to good on the pitch.

As most will know I'm a long way from being Farrell fan but I really hope he can bring his Saracens form to the table.
 
Gatland says he expects you to kick a lot more but he also said we're so fit that we're going to play in weighted sumo suits and still run you off the park. Check mate.
 
Radwan finished the season really strongly, tbf, think the Six Nations "snub" gave him a kick up the arse and his defence looked really good
 
BPM said:
Yeah … I feel the same but my confidence level with England is so low right now that I have no real faith of 'good on paper' translating to good on the pitch.

As most will know I'm a long way from being Farrell fan but I really hope he can bring his Saracens form to the table.
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I'm definitely keeping my expectations low. I looked at that team and thought, right Billy was recently injured so not expecting too much there and I'm not sure about the balance of the back row. We've got no one to tell Farrell what to do, with Daly and Arundell on the wing, one of whom is very young and new and the other doesn't play there properly and has been shown to make mistakes.
 
BPM said:
Well the main reason Arundell has had less game time is that he tends to spend a lot of time injured. Not 'astonishing' at all.

Radwan isn't the best example. He has a lot of talent, but by his own admission didn't have a brilliant season and is a bit lacking outside of the highlight reel moments. Some will say it was down to playing for Falcons, but that didn't stop Carreras from ripping it up. Murley OTOH …

Based upon Premiership form, Malins is there on merit. However, your overall assessment of his averageness is mostly fair. He's a good rugby player but he lacks the point of difference needed to be successful in test rugby.
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Glad to see I'm not missing something. Fair point about Radwan, and Murley, I suppose my point is that there are players who have something in them that, when on form, makes them a real threat. Christian Wade also comes to mind. Such a threat with ball in hand, great in the Prem, never got a proper a look in at England. For me, wingers should always make the oppositions butt clench when they get ball in hand. I think Kolbe is a good example, but there are plenty of others across other tier 1 nations. I'm glad Watson is back for England. I really rate him, and would like to see him starting with Arundel (assuming the young lad can get into his stride at international level).
 
Reiser99 said:
I'm definitely keeping my expectations low. I looked at that team and thought, right Billy was recently injured so not expecting too much there and I'm not sure about the balance of the back row. We've got no one to tell Farrell what to do, with Daly and Arundell on the wing, one of whom is very young and new and the other doesn't play there properly and has been shown to make mistakes.
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People often get on Dalys case, but he's an excellent player. He's pretty rapid, great feet and hands, and a decent boot, plus the added ability to cannon it over the posts from 60 meters should the occasion arise. He's also pretty good in the air given that he's not particularly tall. He may be on the wing, but if coaching staff are wise they'll have him roaming through the centres looking for work.

As others have said, the team looks good on paper, but England need to start converting that paper form onto the actual pitch. I think we need to win this one, and win it well. If this is near enough our best starting 15, then we should be putting away a team several places down the international ladder at home. If we can't then I think we could be in real trouble come September 9th.
 
BPM said:
Yeah … I feel the same but my confidence level with England is so low right now that I have no real faith of 'good on paper' translating to good on the pitch.

As most will know I'm a long way from being Farrell fan but I really hope he can bring his Saracens form to the table.
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Yeah i understand that, and i think most fans are a little underwhelmed over the last few seasons.

At least SB is actually putting players (generally) in their right positions...and has got the jigsaw right on paper....theres some heavy carriers, lineout options, pace, creativity. A back line that looks correct.

As Old Hooker said above...its the platform that hopefully can let Earl show what he can do...and if he can bring his Saracens game...then hes a hell of a player.

The back three has a lot to offer...and Daly and Arundell should hopefully cover Stewards lack of pace. If Daly can continue his early season form...then i really like him on the wing...he can be the playmaker out wide...

The rest...lots ill be watching
 
ageingback23 said:
People often get on Dalys case, but he's an excellent player. He's pretty rapid, great feet and hands, and a decent boot, plus the added ability to cannon it over the posts from 60 meters should the occasion arise. He's also pretty good in the air given that he's not particularly tall. He may be on the wing, but if coaching staff are wise they'll have him roaming through the centres looking for work.

As others have said, the team looks good on paper, but England need to start converting that paper form onto the actual pitch. I think we need to win this one, and win it well. If this is near enough our best starting 15, then we should be putting away a team several places down the international ladder at home. If we can't then I think we could be in real trouble come September 9th.
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The roaming wing he is for Sarries.
Some of his lines, particularly on multi phasr play, are very good. He hits the line late, at speed.
I just wish he would be more like that for England.
My current issue with team, they all seem to be playing to a plan they do not like, but are too scared to play their own way.
Farrell is chief architect of this as he is a very good sgt mjr, in ensuring the plan is played.
Whrn at Sarries, the plan is much clearer and there is enough others to tell him to change things up.
The one thing I like with Farrell is execution of game plans, but he needs a tactician on the pitch as well.

Who does that job for England, apart from maybe Ford.
 
Don't Skip Leg Day said:
I get the impression (maybe wrongly) that Arendell is one's of those players with hamstrings that just can't do 80 minutes of sprinting.
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Too strong for his tendons/ligaments, see it in people who are into "sports science" quite a lot
Was always gonna happen when they were bragging about him outlifting senior pros as a 16yr old
 
BPM said:
Yeah … I feel the same but my confidence level with England is so low right now that I have no real faith of 'good on paper' translating to good on the pitch.

As most will know I'm a long way from being Farrell fan but I really hope he can bring his Saracens form to the table.
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I'm just hoping that last weekend's performance was Borthwick taking Eddie's 6N'18 idea of flogging the players so that their fitness isn't right for playing right now, but to peak in 8 weeks time; with the added bonus of recent experience of playing and decision making whilst absolutely knackered.

I actively don't want the players' fitness to be peaking now; though I do want enough recovery time that they're fresh for the first RWC match; but I'm more interesting in peaking for the QFs and SFs.
You just can't expect to hold a peak for 8 weeks, let alone for 13, and our group gives us the chance to target our peak later into the tournie. If that means sacrificing 1-2 (or all) of the warm-up matches, then so be it.

Currently, it's a fairly blind hope though, not an expectation.
 
ageingback23 said:
People often get on Dalys case, but he's an excellent player. He's pretty rapid, great feet and hands, and a decent boot, plus the added ability to cannon it over the posts from 60 meters should the occasion arise. He's also pretty good in the air given that he's not particularly tall. He may be on the wing, but if coaching staff are wise they'll have him roaming through the centres looking for work.

As others have said, the team looks good on paper, but England need to start converting that paper form onto the actual pitch. I think we need to win this one, and win it well. If this is near enough our best starting 15, then we should be putting away a team several places down the international ladder at home. If we can't then I think we could be in real trouble come September 9th.
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Agree with this completely. He's got a rounded skillset with a couple of standout elements. But most importantly, he clearly has a great rugby brain (whatever that is!). So many times when watching England tries from the era when we scored them, Daly is involved. Whether finishing them or creating them by choosing the right time to enter the line or delivering a perfectly executed pass - which sounds simple but as we've seen recently, isn't always a given. He just gets attack and dovetails excellently with Farrell. Sadly some high profile butchered high balls overshadowed several years of quality attacking IQ. Happy to see him back in and around the 23.
 
Jamie George has said England want to take fans on a journey similar to the English cricket team with Stokes and Mccullum. Starting this weekend and in the months to come kicking in from there.

Whilst that is music to my ears, it has to be said last week in Cardiff was about as polar opposite to that as could be humanly possible!

Big weekend for England to start to lay down some patterns and remember how to win an international match.

www.bbc.com

England eager to 'get Twickenham bouncing' - BBC Sport

England want to draw inspiration from the men's cricket team and take "fans on a journey", says Jamie George.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 

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