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Well as I suspect you might guess from my username I am not exactly happy about the current state of affiars. Before anyone says anything I do not believe it is Englands right to win every game on this earth. But i just want to see some competency across the board from players to coaches to senior management. A performance on a par with Wales ability to work the ball around, I am would rather we went down loosing 35 to 37 in a try fest than every match a 6 to 9 loss or win for our part. Sometimes you have to win messily, but what we are producing is so far below that the devil is asking for rent on his basement. Oh dear what are we doing picking a captian who wouldnt get into the side unless you couldnt drop him whoops. We seem to be determined to not pick exciting young players and also to ruin them at that. i could go on and I think I will, any England fan who says they are happy with the way this teams is doing should be hung from the gantry a twickenham. perhaps not that severe but they should wake up and see that there is no improvement in this team, still as tactically inept as when Johnson Started.
I was glad to see Ireland win and I was routing for Italy because a loss like that would give Johnson no choice resignation would be the only outcome. unfortuantely as Guscott pointed out he wont go untill after the world cup, 18 months of pain to come. Lets examine this from the start of his rein. He keeps Wells the man who decided to do his own thing while Ashton was head coach, he was also part of the unsuccesful era previous to that. He is a renouned stick the ball up the jumper and walk to the other end of the field man. John Callard, i am aware that Englands kicking was going a little wayward under Dave Aldred but he was considered the best inthe world, helped Carter and a number of others to kick brilliantly. So we bring someone who was not a bad player but with no where near the level of experience of the previous encumbent, whoops we will do the same with the manager as well it would seem to be a good idea. Then we appoint a new vastly expereinced international backs coach under our vastly experienced new Manager who worked with a club side that are renowned forward orientated team.
I seem to remember something like this happening in another popular game in this country with a round ball, keegan, erikson & Mclaren, finally after 6 years of misery they got Cappello and something funny happened they began to win and qualify easily, it seems strange the only difference between Cappello and the earlier occupiers of this hot seat is that he is a world class head coach, who was allowed to pick his own world class coaches weird that.
I was never a fan of Johnson getting this job, unfortuantely he fits into the same bracket as Keegan, only Keegan had some experience of management at club level at least. Great motivator but with no idea how to coach a team.
What they perhaps should of considered was to give Ashton a 4 year contract, allow him to pick his own management team, after all he is not known as the Arsene Wnger of rugby for nothing, he also help nurture most of the young talent we see today in Englands academy. If not him Jake Whyte, Robbie Deans. Both obviously have no reputation at all and wouldnt consider the biggest rugby job in the world so we'll give it to a man with loads of experience lol.
Right that is the rant over and now it is time to get constructive lads pick your English 22 that you would like to see at present. Here I go and I will take the stick on the chin for it all no problems.
1. at a loss with this one at the moment
2. Hartley
3. Coles
4. Lawes
5. Shaw C
6. Haskell
7. Rees
8.Croft
9. Youngs
10. Geraghty
11. Monye
12. Flutey
13. Hape
14. Ashton
15. Foden

16. Myler
17. Ellis
18. Turner Hall
19. Moody
20. Mears
21. Kennedy
22. Banahan

Feel free to disagree, chances are we will better management team than the current England lot. the wider squad would include more young playes but 22 is enough of at the moment although I couldnt come up with another prop at the moment could someone perhaps suggest one. By the way welsh lads any chance we can have Edwards back and some of your flair lol.
 
An ok team, except Banahan is on it ;)
Mullan in at 1, Hape can sod off, he's not English for a start (yes yes, neither is Flutey, but at least he's good), and not that good. I'd put Tait in (but i'm biased anyhow :p )
Also, Croft isn't an 8, if you want that backrow, switch him and Haskell around, as Haskell played well at 8 in the AIs


14 Ashton
15 Foden

Now that we can't win the Grandslam, Johnson should start experimenting with teams, and those two are where he should start (apart from telling payne to eff-off). They work so well together, and Foden showed against Ireland that he wants to play positively, and does so much better than Armitage has this 6N
 
Tait is interesting in that where he has bulked up he has lost a lot of pace. he doesnt appear to be the dazzling runner he once was so from my point of view he is out perhaps benched. hape is in my team to add some bulk to the midfield, could go with turner hall instead. I'll go with the switch you suggested, while we await Tom guest ousting One dimensional one trick pony Easter at harlequins permenantly. yes banahan has his problems but a bit of power on the bench, Perhaps instead Vianakolo scoring agian for GLoucester. your right it wouldnt win a 6 nations or 2011 WRC but it would be better to watch and also it would be interesting to see this team in the 2015 WRC wouldnt it.
 
It'll never happen until Johnson leaves though. As I've said before, the man's too stubborn to admit his mistakes and pick form players over the same old same old. Dan Cole being the only exception.
 
Agreed with him in charge the chances of the young exciting players we have getting a chance to play is unlikely, even if he did pick them he and his coaches would hamstring them and make them boring. Hape is in there as it appears he is having a good season for Bath and I always liked a bit of bulk in the midfield, gives you a target, something they dont have at the moment. Ireland have it in Darcy, French in Basteraud, New Zealand in Nonu, Aussies Mortlock etc gives your forwards something to aim at.
 
My point exactly bulk and talent England lack that at the moment. In the mid field, they have talent but no bulk. Darcy gives a good balance to odriscol.
 
What's wrong with cheese? Or can you be cheesed on about something? If so Leo Cullen should do ads for Kilmeaden.
 
I've said it so many times but England have a big problem with allowing the real players that have come up through the youth system play. If there looks like there's a problem in some position they'll just employ some quick fix idea like bringing in ancient players or getting players from over seas or players from rugby league. None of these ideas have worked in the long run... or the short run for that matter. They have to give young guys a chance to improve on the international stage. Otherwise they'll never improve.
 
D'Arcy must be one of the most deceptively powerful players in world rugby, I mean the man's a midget but look at the stuff he does. Good ole small man syndrome.
 
I don't know why Ben Youngs is not our first choice scrum half. Worsley and Armitidge should be 6 & 7. The quicker Monye disappears the better. Ashton and Foden at 14 and 15 would also be a massive improvement. Lawes should replace Shaw. Flood at flyhalf, and give Gerhaty some decent gametime there as well.
 
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I don't know why Ben Youngs is not our first choice scrum half. Worsley and Armitidge should be 6 & 7. The quicker Monye disappears the better. Ashton and Foden at 14 and 15 would also be a massive improvement. Lawes should replace Shaw. Flood at flyhalf, and give Gerhaty some decent gametime there as well.[/b]

FLOOD!! Please no, he's a stale footballer. Much prefer an ageing Wilko to Flood! And completely disagree about replacing Shaw. Maybe Geraghty could have a pop at 10 but no no on Flood, I'd play Rob Andrew today over him. Think Foden should start at 15 against Scotland, maybe will anyway as i think Armitage is nursing an injury.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (paella @ Mar 6 2010, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know why Ben Youngs is not our first choice scrum half. Worsley and Armitidge should be 6 & 7. The quicker Monye disappears the better. Ashton and Foden at 14 and 15 would also be a massive improvement. Lawes should replace Shaw. Flood at flyhalf, and give Gerhaty some decent gametime there as well.[/b]

FLOOD!! Please no, he's a stale footballer. Much prefer an ageing Wilko to Flood! And completely disagree about replacing Shaw. Maybe Geraghty could have a pop at 10 but no no on Flood, I'd play Rob Andrew today over him. Think Foden should start at 15 against Scotland, maybe will anyway as i think Armitage is nursing an injury.
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Flood's better than Wilko though :huh:
 
If England are to ever be good again, the likes of Vickery, Sheridan, Shaw, Borthwick, Kay, Moody, Ellis, Wilkinson, Tindall, Noon and Sackey need to be forgotte. at the same time, old imports like of Hape need to not be called up and the selection policy should prefer form over experience.

The old boys network has always hindered England, that's why SCW was sacked... He demonstrated the shortcomings of the old blazers' policys and they didn't like it.

While idiot organisations like the BBC continue to spoonfeed the general populus bullshit about 'how good things are', Baron et al will never listen.

Hopefully when John Steel takes over from Baron, things may change.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The All Whites @ Mar 7 2010, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (paella @ Mar 6 2010, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know why Ben Youngs is not our first choice scrum half. Worsley and Armitidge should be 6 & 7. The quicker Monye disappears the better. Ashton and Foden at 14 and 15 would also be a massive improvement. Lawes should replace Shaw. Flood at flyhalf, and give Gerhaty some decent gametime there as well.[/b]

FLOOD!! Please no, he's a stale footballer. Much prefer an ageing Wilko to Flood! And completely disagree about replacing Shaw. Maybe Geraghty could have a pop at 10 but no no on Flood, I'd play Rob Andrew today over him. Think Foden should start at 15 against Scotland, maybe will anyway as i think Armitage is nursing an injury.
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Flood's better than Wilko though :huh:
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Seriously? How do you come to that conclusion? :huh:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The All Whites @ Mar 7 2010, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Olyy @ Mar 7 2010, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The All Whites @ Mar 7 2010, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (paella @ Mar 6 2010, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know why Ben Youngs is not our first choice scrum half. Worsley and Armitidge should be 6 & 7. The quicker Monye disappears the better. Ashton and Foden at 14 and 15 would also be a massive improvement. Lawes should replace Shaw. Flood at flyhalf, and give Gerhaty some decent gametime there as well.[/b]

FLOOD!! Please no, he's a stale footballer. Much prefer an ageing Wilko to Flood! And completely disagree about replacing Shaw. Maybe Geraghty could have a pop at 10 but no no on Flood, I'd play Rob Andrew today over him. Think Foden should start at 15 against Scotland, maybe will anyway as i think Armitage is nursing an injury.
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Flood's better than Wilko though :huh:
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Seriously? How do you come to that conclusion? :huh:
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He can do more than just kick at goal?
He creates more than Wilkinson, and controls everything much better. His penalty kicking isn't as good (though Wilkinsons not been performing in that area in the last two games), but apart from that, he's much better.
 
Bringing Flood in now would not be the solution i think. All this talk about Wilko sitting too deep annoys me, i'd consider mixing it up at 9 and the back row before i changed anything else.
 

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