[COVID-19] General Discussion

Discussion in 'The Clubhouse Bar' started by Amiga500, Feb 24, 2020.

  1. The Oggmonster

    The Oggmonster First XV

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2017
    Messages:
    1,408
    Country Flag:

    Sweden

    Club or Nation:

    Glasgow

    I get the whole public health thing and that it's about collective action and behaviour rather than individuals' own risk appetite. My understanding was that the main purpose of the lockdown was to:

    1. Prevent the NHS from collapsing or being overwhelmed
    2. To slow the spread and thus protect the elderly and vulnerable.

    It looks like no.1 has been achieved (to the extent that the NHS hasn't collapsed) but for all the sacrifice that most of us have made I am amazed why hospitals, care homes, old folks homes weren't turned into fortresses with strict access controls (coupled with rigorous testing) in place. I am starting to think that much of the sacrifice that most of us have made as part of the lockdown (in terms of economic, social and mental well being etc.) has been wasted given how rife the virus has been within care homes and hospitals. I really hope a public enquiry is conducted thoroughly and fairly.
     
  2. Forum Ad Advertisement

  3. Amiga500

    Amiga500 First XV

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,798
    Location:
    Belfast, Ireland
    Country Flag:

    Ireland

    Club or Nation:

    Ulster

    Ahh, but Boris isn't big on detail.

    Neither are the rest of the fucknuckles around him it seems.
     
  4. ncurd

    ncurd International

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,181
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    Hospitals less so but the care homes thing is a real scandal there are very real questions that need to be asked and undrstood. The governments obfuscation and denial of their own figures show they know they ballsed that one up. The extent of culpability needs to be fully understood.

    As noted most people of reasonable intelligence understood their own personal risk was low, lockdown was to slow community spread to protect the vulnerable and with care homes measure were not put in place to make sure they were protected.. Its either a huge oversight or a decision was made to protect hospitals (by discharging paitients with zero testing) over care homes.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Which Tyler

    Which Tyler First XV

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,695
    Location:
    Tewkesbury
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

  6. The_Blindside

    The_Blindside International

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,543
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    British Irish Lions



    McDonald’s anyone?
     
  7. Jabby

    Jabby First XV

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,985
    Country Flag:

    New Zealand

    Club or Nation:

    Otago

    They’re responding the the clear and present danger, if they think about every possible result then we get the kind of inaction other countries are complaining about
     
  8. Steve-o

    Steve-o Bench Player

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2010
    Messages:
    893
    Location:
    Queensland
    Country Flag:

    South Africa

    Club or Nation:

    South Africa

    I can totally understand keeping other activities reduced to flatten the curve (remember this is the goal, not to try eliminate it because it's impossible now) but closing schools affects too many things negatively with virtually no upside and to do this against what the science says with no opposing evidence... It's hypocritical and sets a bad precedent.
     
  9. Gavin

    Gavin First XV

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,922
    Location:
    Belfast
    Country Flag:

    Former Soviet Union

    Club or Nation:

    Barbarians

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5452007/steve-coogan-millionaire-furlough-staff/amp/

    The Sun are really having a go at Steve Coogan for furloughing his gardener and housekeeper.

    To be expected when you consider the storm Coogan created with the Sun during the phone hacking scandal.

    The storm on Twitter calling his a champagne socialist, but surely the point of socialism is that the government supports the workers.

    Either way I heard that it could be rubbish because his staff are either self-employed or are sent by an agency.

    The media cause a storm about Coogan to deflect from other issues regarding coronavirus.
     
  10. ncurd

    ncurd International

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,181
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    Well I suppose that is front page news instead of Boris charging NHS workers to use the NHS even more than are currently.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  11. The Oggmonster

    The Oggmonster First XV

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2017
    Messages:
    1,408
    Country Flag:

    Sweden

    Club or Nation:

    Glasgow

    I don't understand how Steve Coogan (the individual) can be an employer and run a payroll for household staff. He'd have to pay employers national insurance and there would be little point in that assuming these payroll costs are not tax deductible given they perform duties in his personal residence and not anything business related.

    I would imagine his gardener and housekeeper are either self-employed or through an agency. All self-employed people were recently 'invited' by HMRC to apply for a grant and the agency would be responsible for applying to join the furlough scheme if they were on the agency's payroll. Wouldn't at all surprise me if this is fake news designed to distract.
     
  12. ncurd

    ncurd International

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,181
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    Also doesn't this assume that Coogan himself manages all this himself when in reality his household(s) are managed by someone he pays too make the problem go away.
     
  13. The_Blindside

    The_Blindside International

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,543
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    British Irish Lions

    A lot of these celebrities will have accountants who deal with this on their behalf - managing the payroll of their staff. PAYE, NIC etc and paying all household bills.
     
  14. The_Blindside

    The_Blindside International

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,543
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    British Irish Lions



    In relation to testing:

    “...Per capita, but per capita in relation to what?”

    3CE22118-951B-4BF5-9250-D1EAA2F56ACC.jpeg
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. Reiser99

    Reiser99 First XV

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2015
    Messages:
    2,619
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Leicester

    Looking at the data presented at the daily briefing, while it shows it's dropped from the peak, it does seem to flattening rather than continuing to drop. If the easing of the lockdown brings the R up, we aren't too far away from getting back to the peak. Other countries have managed to drop it far quicker and lower in recent weeks.
     
  16. ncurd

    ncurd International

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,181
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    Honestly you look at picture of beeches and the fact I know some people are clearly breeching the don't visit houses.

    Plus the amount "socially distance exercise honest gov" I've seen going on.

    Im amazed it's staying level TBH
     
  17. Reiser99

    Reiser99 First XV

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2015
    Messages:
    2,619
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Leicester

    Well the R number is definitely 2-3 weeks behind, so I do expect it to go back up. Question is far it might have spread in these past 2 weeks.
     
  18. Reiser99

    Reiser99 First XV

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2015
    Messages:
    2,619
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Leicester

    Question: What's changed in the last 12 days that mean France is no longer exempt.

    Priti Patel: Well we've been discussing and talking and I've been in close contact with my French counterpoints and looking at the exemptions and bla bla bla. Absolutely nothing about why the decision was made and why there was such a quick turn around. Brief attempt to imply they originally meant key transport workers, but that's not what they said 12 days ago.
     
  19. Reiser99

    Reiser99 First XV

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2015
    Messages:
    2,619
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Leicester

    Having just finished an interview if I answered questions like Priti Patel I would definitely not get the job. So much waffle and absolutely no detail what so ever.
     
  20. ragerancher

    ragerancher International

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,267
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    No it's fine, the president of the USA not even know what per capita means is no problem...
     
  21. The Oggmonster

    The Oggmonster First XV

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2017
    Messages:
    1,408
    Country Flag:

    Sweden

    Club or Nation:

    Glasgow

    Scotland is effectively three weeks behind England in terms of easing restrictions despite starting the lockdown at the same time. A lot of people have suggested that Nicola Sturgeon has deliberately deviated from No.10 so that it doesn't look like she's following BoJo's lead and that she's using this as an 'independent Scotland audition'. I'm becoming more convinced that her phased plan to lift restrictions from next Thursday looks sensible.
     
Enjoyed this thread? Register to post your reply - click here!

Share This Page

-->