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Preach!
As you suggest, I thought that the tests were being delivered by services other than regular post, so that excuse appears to be a red herring to me.
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Preach!
As you suggest, I thought that the tests were being delivered by services other than regular post, so that excuse appears to be a red herring to me.
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i know this conflates with twitter's policy of letting idiots spew whatever nonsense they want, but they should really be cracking down on misinformation regarding the virus. It would cost them money, so they won't do it but it's dangerous.
I know his cult followers will love him for it but this did brighten up my morning.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1257417176061001741
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1257417176061001741
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i like the comments below suggesting he go pick fruit in place of the migrants leaving.
I'm just trying to do the jumps on logic for it to be essential travel. Like I kinda get its his job angle so he is allowed out if he can't work from home but what part of his hard cutting journalism required him to leave his house? Still he was filmed banging a pot with a ladle for clap for carers so hes instantly immune to having to stick to lockdown guidelines.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52475688
More on the test, track and tracing process
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52529830
And on the "missing link" between host animal and intermediary. More understanding than identifying it.
Corrections welcome from other sources if incomplete.
More on the test, track and tracing process
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52529830
And on the "missing link" between host animal and intermediary. More understanding than identifying it.
Corrections welcome from other sources if incomplete.
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Latest from the ONS (today's update) - excess deaths up to 26/04/20
For the record (as the FT measure this); the UK has suffered 38,554 extra deaths since the crisis started - an increase of 61.7%
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FT's tracking of similar figures as a comparison - not updated since 01/05/20 (with different countries releasing these figures on different days).
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For the record (as the FT measure this); the UK has suffered 38,554 extra deaths since the crisis started - an increase of 61.7%
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FT's tracking of similar figures as a comparison - not updated since 01/05/20 (with different countries releasing these figures on different days).
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Ah the COVID-19 tracing app,
People of facebook of all places complaining about privacy of data....
Plus everyone seams to like decentralised data systems which sound great until you've built and tried to debug one....
Honestly the only two issues I have,
Who will have access to the data? This needs to be part of the T&C, I'm all up for it being used scientific endeavors with data modelling of further outbreaks (you also won't able to do this a decentralised system). But being used to model the type of stuff Cambridge Analytica were up to I'm less keen on.
How does it circumvent the problem with the app always having to be on with an unlocked screen? (Apple and Google's offering do this because they have access to the OS and can turn off that security, however as they are working with Apple and Google I wouldn't surprised if they providing that access).
People of facebook of all places complaining about privacy of data....
Plus everyone seams to like decentralised data systems which sound great until you've built and tried to debug one....
Honestly the only two issues I have,
Who will have access to the data? This needs to be part of the T&C, I'm all up for it being used scientific endeavors with data modelling of further outbreaks (you also won't able to do this a decentralised system). But being used to model the type of stuff Cambridge Analytica were up to I'm less keen on.
How does it circumvent the problem with the app always having to be on with an unlocked screen? (Apple and Google's offering do this because they have access to the OS and can turn off that security, however as they are working with Apple and Google I wouldn't surprised if they providing that access).
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This is the problem - added to the fact that Dominic Cummings is the BJ's chief advisor...
And personally - I rarely remember to take my phone with me (and never have the GPS activated), so I doubt I'd add anything useful to data; but that's just me.
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It was in the news yesterday that the Vote Leave AI people have been given a bunch of cushy government contracts worth 7 figures, so yeah - I'm a bit more sceptical about it now.
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Yeah...the people post on Facebook from their Apple/Samsung et al about the app the government wants you to use is...gives me a head ache
great news in NZ though, no new cases since friday
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A few weeks ago I watched 'Brexit an Uncivil War' about how they use data etc to target people. It is definitely making me more cautious about it. I wouldn't have downloaded it anyway though
The data isn't about tracking where you are (as I understand it) but who you've been in close proximity to (and possibly how long). So 'all' its does is log which mobile phone you were near then if you say you COVID-19/symptoms it pings everyone that phone has been contact with. How far it goes down with 2nd or 3rd levels of contact I've not read up. A centralised system means you can model that data far better and provide more accurate response planning as well as working out what level of depth you legtimately need to contact on.
Decentralised sounds great but only works effectively if you only ever intend to tell first point on contacts without depth because each phone is in of itself a centralised phone but only know the other phone it was in contact with. You also can't provide any useful research in terms of dealing with virus (which actually its likely most useful application rather than telling you if you've been in contact with anyone)
If say you go meet 200 people and one of those contracts the virus and you smash your phone or something similar all that data is lost and there is no way recover it.
Yup the people who have developed the app are my worry...not because I don't think they competent engineer I just worry about how the data is used in the future.
I have some incredibly security conscious techy friends they don't use them but yeah that's not who I'm seeing this stuff from.
Honestly its all pretty scary ****, currently I work on devices that allow aircraft to talk via satellites some of which provide internet access to regular passengers. My very first all hands meeting I heard people talking about who owns the data that flows through the system (us, the aircraft manufacturer, the airline operator etc.) and the potential resell value of that data.
GDPR/Cambridge Analytica etc. was only the beginning the value of data generated through digital device useage is incredibly valueable to a whole host of interested parties. And its almost certain the highest abuses won't be legislated against in time.
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Yes, which doesn't help if my phone's in the kitchen and I'm on Morrisons.
Nor would it know, if my phone's in my pocket, with GPS switched off.
GPS being switched off wouldn't make a difference it only needs bluetooth and data switched on. Sorry, I know what you mean I'm just being anal because it doesn't use location services (as far as I understand). I'm a little baffled to why they dont want location data but I suppose they think it will be far harder sell to the public if they were storing that information.
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Here's an interview about the app with Hancock:
The key part to me is that around 33 seconds, he says that your data will stay on your phone and won't go anywhere else unless you need a test. If the app is working within these constraints, as far as I can see, all it can do is:
- keep a log of the unique identifiers of the phones that you have been in close contact with
- periodically download a list of the unique identifiers of users who have been confirmed to have contracted the virus
- check the list of people you've been in contact with appears on that list
- if so, advise you to get tested.
He skirts around what happens (data wise) when it is identified that you need a test, or when you are confirmed to have the virus. If it asks for (or just takes) your data at this point, then any number of levels of contact tracing would be straightforward.
Yep - location data even just of where the bluetooth handshake occurred would be vital in understanding where - and from that how - the thing is spreading.
It'd mean much better targetting of measures.
My understanding is that is not how it works, in terms of the data stored on your phone is sent a centralised database and doesn't just reside on your phone (there was a technical document that went out but I've only read what tech journalists have said on it, I'm not reading it I have to do my real job). Having explained this stuff in the past to non-technical people I can understand how Hancock even though being a bright fella might have got the wrong end of the stick on that one. Doesn't make it inherently bad or nefarious but the bottom line is data is being stored in a centralised database somewhere at some point in cycle. At that point it becomes important to understand who has access and what are legitimate means of using the data.
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That still rules me out, I don't have any data, so unless it keeps it on the phone, and sends it next time I'm on WiFi, then even if I turn Bluetooth on (and remember to bring the phone with me) it wouldn't be terribly useful
