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****ing hell the amount of people I know going out for multiple exercises or doing it with people outside their household...

Where I live is definitely more lively than say two or three weeks ago. I'm seeing a lot more small groups of teens/men walking around the city centre. They can't all be brothers/housemates. People sitting on benches. Boy racers driving up and down the main street. A few taxis driving about on a Saturday night most likely ferrying people to and from house parties/gatherings. Flouting is going to another level.
 
A little bit yes. It'd be alarming if they were quite as bad as the orange menace.

But they have been harping on about "lifting lockdown" for weeks now - do they not realise them keeping at that will only make the general public more impatient? Do they not realise that the UK is lightyears away from having the systems and structures in place to safely start easing? Do they not realise they should be tackling the govt on where those systems/structures are rather than the dumb question of "when will lockdown lift?"

I understand your frustration with outlets like the BBC, but they are just one of the main sources for the British public, they aren't the only ones, which means it's important to read several sources. But getting out of this lockdown and how is a legitimate question to ask and yes how to do it safely. We can't remain in lockdown for the next year and half, for economic and also other health reasons. I, myself, have to go for my monthly blood test next month and will need to see my Doctor, but delaying contacting him for when the appointment is until the Government announce later this week how they plan to do it. Not that is going to stop me contacting him anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52519340


Analysis

By Jonathan Blake, political correspondent

With polls suggesting a relatively high level of support and compliance with lockdown measures, ministers will need to tread carefully.

Nobody is expecting restrictions to be lifted overnight and life to return to normal - far from it.

But the mantra for people to "stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives" appears to have worked well.

A new message may have to be more nuanced, if more people are able to return to work and businesses are encouraged to adapt.

Signalling to the public that the time is right to take a step out of lockdown will also require convincing them it is safe to do so.

Thursday, when the government is legally required to review the restrictions, will be the day we find out what comes next.
Asked whether fewer people would have died if testing capacity had been greater sooner, he said: "Yes.

"If we had had 100,000 test capacity before this thing started and the knowledge that we now have retrospectively I'm sure many things could be different."

But he said that although the UK has a big pharmaceuticals industry, it does not have a testing industry like Germany's, making it more difficult to increase test numbers.

Defending the decision not to close airports or introduce screening for international arrivals earlier in the pandemic, Mr Shapps said the advice was that a "complete lockdown of the borders" might only have delayed the virus by three to five days.

"We had millions of people abroad who needed to return home," he said.

But he said that now the infection rate was falling to a more manageable level, plans for screening and quarantining people travelling to the UK from abroad were "a serious point under consideration".

They are asking the questions on testing once we come out of lockdown as per above article and the analysis, but maybe not with the vehemency you want?
 
So now the Trump "protesters" are walking around with the infamous sign from Auschwitz camp. These scum don't even try to hide what they are any more. People going to continue making excuses for them?

https://twitter.com/trekonomics/status/1256363283600175104?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1256363283600175104&ref_url=https://god.dailydot.com/lockdown-protestor-sign/

I saw a picture last week of armed men, with assault rifles, in a public building not willing to leave.

How the hell are they not arrested? You look at what happened to the Native American's peacefully protesting the building on their land. It's complete double standards.
 
Amiga500 said:
I suspect you just take them as gospel and have never bothered to look around and realise what you are missing.
Oh come on man relax yourself, you don't always need to be on the offensive. I was just asking what you were on about...

My point is - unless you've looked around, you literally won't realise what you are missing.

Most in the UK *do* take the BBC as gospel.

Of course, from over here (NI), we've seen over a long time period that they are not quite as impartial and free from political pressure as you might otherwise assume.
 
I understand your frustration with outlets like the BBC, but they are just one of the main sources for the British public, they aren't the only ones, which means it's important to read several sources. But getting out of this lockdown and how is a legitimate question to ask and yes how to do it safely. We can't remain in lockdown for the next year and half, for economic and also other health reasons. I, myself, have to go for my monthly blood test next month and will need to see my Doctor, but delaying contacting him for when the appointment is until the Government announce later this week how they plan to do it. Not that is going to stop me contacting him anyway.

They are asking the questions on testing once we come out of lockdown as per above article and the analysis, but maybe not with the vehemency you want?

I expect them to do some investigation, challenging and reporting.

For instance, take the 100k tests a day target.

Germany, with an approximately equivalent population as UK, were actually at that level 3 weeks ago (without bullshitting the figures) and are pushing beyond 150k a day now. Indeed, the German government have been advised that >200k tests a day will be required.

So - given how far advanced the German effort has been compared to the hamfisted UK effort - why is there not one asking the UK govt - "why are we only aiming to test 100k a day when that will still be woefully insufficient?"

Hancock should have been called an outright liar when he presented that 100k a day figure (including a one-off send-off of home kits). Instead not a strong word against.


The free press are supposed to defend the public interest. Well when politicians treat the public with contempt, I expect the same in return. "On the back of his stream of lies regarding PPE, with the BMA indicating many medics are having to purchase their own, Hancock lied again today when pushing a figure of 100k tests competed today. This is of course, more deception from the government."

Really pull them on it. Otherwise they'll keep doing it.
 
I expect them to do some investigation, challenging and reporting.

For instance, take the 100k tests a day target.

Germany, with an approximately equivalent population as UK, were actually at that level 3 weeks ago (without bullshitting the figures) and are pushing beyond 150k a day now. Indeed, the German government have been advised that >200k tests a day will be required.

So - given how far advanced the German effort has been compared to the hamfisted UK effort - why is there not one asking the UK govt - "why are we only aiming to test 100k a day when that will still be woefully insufficient?"

Hancock should have been called an outright liar when he presented that 100k a day figure (including a one-off send-off of home kits). Instead not a strong word against.


The free press are supposed to defend the public interest. Well when politicians treat the public with contempt, I expect the same in return. "On the back of his stream of lies regarding PPE, with the BMA indicating many medics are having to purchase their own, Hancock lied again today when pushing a figure of 100k tests competed today. This is of course, more deception from the government."

Really pull them on it. Otherwise they'll keep doing it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612

yes and they are but may be not to the extent that other media outlets are. It's also Labour and the other opposition parties in Parliament to really pipe up and get on the Government's back on this issue of testing. It isn't good enough they haven't met the 100,000 day target and fell short on Saturday.

Hancock is not coming out of this well with his target 100,000 tests per day not being met.
 
I saw a picture last week of armed men, with assault rifles, in a public building not willing to leave.

How the hell are they not arrested? You look at what happened to the Native American's peacefully protesting the building on their land. It's complete double standards.

It was in Michigan and some of them were carrying confederate flags, which is ironic because it's a Union state. But then again, most of them are Trumpanzees. :rolleyes:
 
So now the Trump "protesters" are walking around with the infamous sign from Auschwitz camp. These scum don't even try to hide what they are any more. People going to continue making excuses for them?

https://twitter.com/trekonomics/status/1256363283600175104?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1256363283600175104&ref_url=https://god.dailydot.com/lockdown-protestor-sign/

The protestors are an embarrassment to the vast majority of Americans who are glad to comply with the Stay At Home orders. Those idiots with Nazi signs, etc. know they have Freedom of Speech and are using it. As long as they don't hurt anyone they're allowed to act like morons. They're a disgrace and they don't care about others. But there's people like that in every country, selfish morons. And unfortunately, we have one in the White House who emboldens other morons. Hopefully he'll be voted out in November.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612

yes and they are but may be not to the extent that other media outlets are. It's also Labour and the other opposition parties in Parliament to really pipe up and get on the Government's back on this issue of testing. It isn't good enough they haven't met the 100,000 day target and fell short on Saturday.

Hancock is not coming out of this well with his target 100,000 tests per day not being met.

It was Sunday actually (it was always going to because it's not a normal working day so post is an issue, people aren't working as much etc), Saturday had a slight growth compared to Friday
 
It was Sunday actually (it was always going to because it's not a normal working day so post is an issue, people aren't working as much etc), Saturday had a slight growth compared to Friday

Cheers for the correction.

Just read in the Times today that Johnson won't announce the comprehensive plan for reopening workplaces and schools until Sunday to give himself more time to examine crucial data on the how the virus is spreading.
 
Cheers for the correction.

Just read in the Times today that Johnson won't announce the comprehensive plan for reopening workplaces and schools until Sunday to give himself more time to examine crucial data on the how the virus is spreading.

I assume this update is separate to the one that is scheduled to be provided this week on how lockdown measures will be eased over the next few weeks/months? If I'm not mistaken Thursday marks the end of the second three week 'stay at home' block.
 
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Hancock is not coming out of this well with his target 100,000 tests per day not being met.
He's be doing a lot better if they hadn't played silly buggers with the figures and owned to coming up short but saying they'd done extremely well to get to where they did to completed tests (becaise lets be honest we all laught when he said 100,000 and the actual ~80,000 was legit great work). Still he is the scapegoat



Not my favorite Mitch Benn comedy song in all this though

 
I assume this update is separate to the one that is scheduled to be provided this week on how lockdown measures will be eased over the next few weeks/months? If I'm not mistaken Thursday marks the end of the second three week 'stay at home' block.

yeh good point. There will be more announced as the week progresses up to Thursday. So it may well be that they extend the lock down on Thursday to Sunday to give him more time to make the big announcement of the plan.

And Bojo is trying to coincide it with the end of VE 75th anniversary commemoration is he?:rolleyes:
 
yeh good point. There will be more announced as the week progresses up to Thursday. So it may well be that they extend the lock down on Thursday to Sunday to give him more time to make the big announcement of the plan.

And Bojo is trying to coincide it with the end of VE 75th anniversary commemoration is he?:rolleyes:
Honestly I'm expecting a 2 week extension minimum rather than any immediate alleviation with an announcement on how things will loosened beyond that date so people can prepare for it.

Of course I wouldn't be surprised with a batshit crazy plan either by announcing a mass orgy on Sunday.
 
It was Sunday actually (it was always going to because it's not a normal working day so post is an issue, people aren't working as much etc), Saturday had a slight growth compared to Friday

There's no post on a Saturday at the moment either, so this doesn't explain the disparity between the two days. Surely people not working so much would afford them the time to get tested.
 
There's no post on a Saturday at the moment either, so this doesn't explain the disparity between the two days. Surely people not working so much would afford them the time to get tested.
I'm definitely still getting post on Saturdays? I think it's more that there's less people working to actually do the tests on a Sunday? I'm not sure tho
 
I'm definitely still getting post on Saturdays? I think it's more that there's less people working to actually do the tests on a Sunday? I'm not sure tho
The post should have nothing to do with completed tests (and 100k a day, target we should manage it regardless, the virus doesn't stop because its the weekend), however yes there is no normal mail on Saturdays as of I think this weekend (according to a postman friend) however parcel post is still going on. Apparently Royal Mail have been trying to kill Saturday post for years so how long it takes to be running again is anyones guess.
 
I'm definitely still getting post on Saturdays? I think it's more that there's less people working to actually do the tests on a Sunday? I'm not sure tho

It was only announced about a week ago, so it would have only manifested itself this week. TBH, I don't remember if I get post or not. Maybe areas with the capacity are continuing to provide a service.
 

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