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Bakkies Botha Retires

I love how he keeps mentioning he's a religious man (and shows it off as obviously as he can on the field). How is a good man the biggest ***** on the field, every single match he plays, int'l or for club ? That's just incredible hypocrisy. That's like the mafia guy who kills during the week and then goes to church every Sunday, like, don't even bother going man. Make your choice. Both at the same time is just comedic.

Anyways, the reasons he gives are bs. Mourad Boudjellal probably went full diva on him to play full time for Toulon..
 
Thanks for so much rugby, Bakkies

We'll miss your fights:



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Am i Bothad tho?


I'll be Bakkies in a bit to pay propa tribbs like.
 
Complete thug who I generally have no respect for as a player. King of cheap shots.

Would do what he could to injure other players and then act pious after games.

Glad he's gone to be honest. Looks like 'World Rugby' will making a few cut backs to their citing department.
 
Complete thug who I generally have no respect for as a player. King of cheap shots.

Would do what he could to injure other players and then act pious after games.

Glad he's gone to be honest. Looks like 'World Rugby' will making a few cut backs to their citing department.

Agreed.


He won't be missed by many.
 
Well I'm going to miss the big guy!

I'm a Bulls fan, and I always liked Bakkies.

Yes, he was a thug, yes he took cheap shots. Every Nation has/had such a player, and it's always the case that the opposition's fans will never like that guy, for example Dylan Hartley. I absolutely despise him!!

He did what he had to do to give his team an advantage.

You will me missed "ou grote"
 
Cheap shot merchent, always looking for the smallest player on the pitch to "own" The minute someone stood their ground he backed down straight away. On the second clip in that video he bounced off that big Georgian and did sweet FA.
 
He was a dirty player, but also an extremely good one. Him and Matfield were the premier second row combo in world rugby for a long time.
 
I love how he keeps mentioning he's a religious man (and shows it off as obviously as he can on the field). How is a good man the biggest ***** on the field, every single match he plays, int'l or for club ? That's just incredible hypocrisy. That's like the mafia guy who kills during the week and then goes to church every Sunday, like, don't even bother going man. Make your choice. Both at the same time is just ..

You could be talking about a certain AB hooker who dragged a Brit closer in a ruck so that he could punch him around the head before claiming Christianity to get off proper punishment!!!!
 
I love how he keeps mentioning he's a religious man (and shows it off as obviously as he can on the field). How is a good man the biggest ***** on the field, every single match he plays, int'l or for club ? That's just incredible hypocrisy. That's like the mafia guy who kills during the week and then goes to church every Sunday, like, don't even bother going man. Make your choice. Both at the same time is just comedic.

Anyways, the reasons he gives are bs. Mourad Boudjellal probably went full diva on him to play full time for Toulon..

What does his religion have to do with the way he plays rugby?

If this was on a South African forum, it would have been seen as utterly offensive. I too am offended by this comment. Bakkies is a very religious man, just have a look at some of his games, every time he runs on the field, he goes on his knees and says a prayer. His twitter and facebook page are littered with religious quotes from the bible, and most of his comments are to praise the Lord.

The way he plays, and the manner in which he lives by his religion have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Would you have made the same comments if he was Muslim?
 
You could be talking about a certain AB hooker who dragged a Brit closer in a ruck so that he could punch him around the head before claiming Christianity to get off proper punishment!!!!

I don't remember Andrew Hore claiming Christianity at all - in his appeal he showed remorse and the IRB noted his otherwise spotless record. Regardless of what people say - that was an isolated incident of on field behavior that people choose to extrapolate to his entire career. Don't know how guys like Rougerie and Heaslip somehow avoid the same level of scrutiny considering one eye gouged (and was totally unpunished) while the other kneed another player twice in the heads. Regardless, the issue was that Botha made a total habit of continual thuggery, particularly towards smaller players.

The way he plays, and the manner in which he lives by his religion have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Would you have made the same comments if he was Muslim?

They're not totally isolated though. What he did was continually outside the accepted bounds of the game - and it does come off as hypocritical being extremely Christian but also going to lengths to assault players off the ball, take cheap shots and end careers. One of the tackled he did on (I think Kockett) when he just dives shoulder first into his planted leg while going for the kick, and bending it backwards, that's could easily have been a guys career done and dusted right there, and there was no reason to tackle that way other than to damage the guy. And if he was Muslim I would feel the exact same way.
 
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amazing, one of the games greats retires and we all end up arguing about what a w*nker he was... <_<
 
Wow, jeez. Not much love for him on this forum Lol.

He certainly did take things way too far at times and yeah there were games where he was just plain dirty, and that's a bad advertisement for the game. But I wouldn't labour that point. He was also an extremely good player who at one time formed the greatest locking combination in the world with Matfield. Probably one of the greatest in history; Matfield the tactician and Bakkies the enforcer, but both incredible at the set piece.

Yeah he was a brute. Get over it ladies - that's what rugby is. I know it's a thread about Botha but very few nations can afford a holier than thou stance about it.
 
amazing, one of the games greats retires and we all end up arguing about what a w*nker he was... <_<

Well, I would be lying if I thought he was anything less than that. His terrible disciplinary record will probably be what he is remembered for.
 
Well, I would be lying if I thought he was anything less than that. His terrible disciplinary record will probably be what he is remembered for.

very unlikely.

I'd wager he'll be remembered as a tough player from a great SA side and a man who achieved pretty much everything there is to achieve in the game.

He was tough on the field but widely regarded as a genuinely nice man off it.
 
I don't remember Andrew Hore claiming Christianity at all - in his appeal he showed remorse and the IRB noted his otherwise spotless record. Regardless of what people say - that was an isolated incident of on field behavior that people choose to extrapolate to his entire career. Don't know how guys like Rougerie and Heaslip somehow avoid the same level of scrutiny considering one eye gouged (and was totally unpunished) while the other kneed another player twice in the heads. Regardless, the issue was that Botha made a total habit of continual thuggery, particularly towards smaller players.



They're not totally isolated though. What he did was continually outside the accepted bounds of the game - and it does come off as hypocritical being extremely Christian but also going to lengths to assault players off the ball, take cheap shots and end careers. One of the tackled he did on (I think Kockett) when he just dives shoulder first into his planted leg while going for the kick, and bending it backwards, that's could easily have been a guys career done and dusted right there, and there was no reason to tackle that way other than to damage the guy. And if he was Muslim I would feel the exact same way.

He was our enforcer, it was his job to do that, has nothing to do with his religion.

You won't find many Saffas that would agree with most of you guys' posts on this thread. To us he was a true legend for the Bokke and the Bulls. And it's fresh coming from a NZ'er to say what he did was outside the bounds of the game. Us saffas, and some of other nations feel that exact same way about Richie Mccaw.

Bakkies might have done some crappy things, yes I agree with that, but to us, and his coaches most of it was acceptable behaviour and that was his purpose as the enforcer in the team.

I don't see how this has anything whatsoever to do with his religion.
 
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