Bakkies Botha Retires

[iINDOMINUSxx]

Ben Youngs

 

[Big Ewis]

Ben Youngs

His initials are 'BY'....Ben Youngs is bi..
but please stay on topic, promising youngling.

 

[TRF_heineken]

The topic is of Bakkies Botha retiring yes. But I am very offended by the fact that his faith has been brought into the debate.

I am a devout Christian just like Bakkies. We are taught from a very young age that we are born with sin. We as Christians carry the burden of sin with us everywhere we go. Jesus Christ died for our sins. But the sins still remain. Christians sin on a daily basis, it's part of being human. Christians do malicious things, even in the Bible. Bakkies is no angel, but neither am I. How often do we read about Pastors, Reverends, etc. doing malicious things?? They are supposed to be the ones who should set an example, yet, it's human nature to make mistakes/sin/do things you're not supposed to.

The thing is, what you as a Christian do after these acts were performed. Do you own up to it, accept the consquences and stand by your faith? or do you continue to do these things and fight whatever consequence is thrown at you?

Here is where Bakkies shows that he is indeed a good Christian. He has always accepted the outcomes after his acts. He was found guilty once of an eye gouge, which didn't have sufficient evidence, yet he took the punishment on the chin and went on with his life.

To use his faith against him, is IMHO the lowest you can go. We have no idea what his background was before he played rugby, hell, we don't know much about his personal life even now, apart from him loving hunting and having a braai. Maybe he was molested as a child, and his "acts" on the field is a form of coping mechanism, we don't know. To take his faith into question is unnecessary, and not relevant!

 

[Icemn]

You're words while showing Piet van Zyl's idiotic act; .

You said fans with an 's' thereby implying all unless I am mistaken. I took offense. I did not make it an 'AB thing'. I refered specifically to SA based AB fans of which you are one and who as a group have a terrible reputation for good reason. I've personally witnessed them spitting on JdV as he got off the bus at his home ground, start fights, curse like you won't believe at home supporters, intimidate and while I was not at PE even going as far as hitting a woman. So I was merely saying you should be the last person to bring up the behaviour of one supporter of another team let alone try to paint every supporter with the brush that drunk lout. I'm not trying to say you yourself do any of these things, in fact I remember you condemning it and I know it's all too easy for a small group of bad apples to spoil it for the rest but please give others the same consideration and just stop with the generalizaions?

As for Collins, I am a big fan of Collins. Hard as nails and a legend of the game for all the right reasons. But why cherrie pick? I am not defending Bakkies and agree he went off the ball overly much. This is not in response to your posts, Icemn but I just wanted to addd he was a brilliant lock though, I have to give him that. As for the discussion regarding his faith, no matter what I might feel/think I just flat out refuse to discuss another man's faith or 'stance with God' on a platform like this. If I ever met Bakkies face to face I might try to have a discussion with him but he is not here and what do we really know. T

if all of us SA based AB fans "have a terrible reputation" then yes... you are ALL malicious stampkar fans...

for the record, i despise those Ab fans, it is because of them that all AB supporters are being labeled

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

]if all of us SA based AB fans "have a terrible reputation" then yes...[/B] you are ALL malicious stampkar fans...

for the record, i despise those Ab fans, it is because of them that all AB supporters are being labeled

*sigh*

I said the SA AB fans have a reputation. You say so yourself;

it is because of them that all AB supporters are being labeled

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I went on to say I understand a few bad ones ruin it everyone. I said it was unfair and asked only that you not do the same with Bok fans as we too aren't all bad. But then you go;

you are ALL malicious stampkar fans...

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It's not even funny. I give up (again) in trying to communicate with you. You just seem to either not understand English or fail to grasp what I am trying to say. Might be the problem is on my side and that my English is at fault. Either way we don't seem able to understand each other. Cheers.

 

[Rugga-lad]

Bakkies retires. One less headbutter in rugby
Good player though.

 

[sharkfan]

The man also knew how to tackle, just ask Shane Williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIkrrJGxK3U

 

[Jaguares]

The man also knew how to tackle, just ask Shane Williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIkrrJGxK3U

OOOOOhhhhh a giant of 2,02 m and 130 kg hitting a little man of 1,70 m and 80 kg. You must have courage to do it

 

[The Jones Boy]

A thug who played like an idiot and cost his team silly penalties.
Always keen to pick on the little guys but couldn't look Brad Thorne in the eye without crapping himself silly.

 

[Jaguares]

The topic is of Bakkies Botha retiring yes. But I am very offended by the fact that his faith has been brought into the debate.

I am a devout Christian just like Bakkies. We are taught from a very young age that we are born with sin. We as Christians carry the burden of sin with us everywhere we go. Jesus Christ died for our sins. But the sins still remain. Christians sin on a daily basis, it's part of being human. Christians do malicious things, even in the Bible. Bakkies is no angel, but neither am I. How often do we read about Pastors, Reverends, etc. doing malicious things?? They are supposed to be the ones who should set an example, yet, it's human nature to make mistakes/sin/do things you're not supposed to.

The thing is, what you as a Christian do after these acts were performed. Do you own up to it, accept the consquences and stand by your faith? or do you continue to do these things and fight whatever consequence is thrown at you?

Here is where Bakkies shows that he is indeed a good Christian. He has always accepted the outcomes after his acts. He was found guilty once of an eye gouge, which didn't have sufficient evidence, yet he took the punishment on the chin and went on with his life.

To use his faith against him, is IMHO the lowest you can go. We have no idea what his background was before he played rugby, hell, we don't know much about his personal life even now, apart from him loving hunting and having a braai. Maybe he was molested as a child, and his "acts" on the field is a form of coping mechanism, we don't know. To take his faith into question is unnecessary, and not relevant!

That's the problem, the religion is something of the Middle Ages. Man has evolved and no longer need religions that have made us much harm. This is the twenty-first century, the man plans to go to Mars, at the mean age was cool to be religious, now is cool to be an atheist / agnostic

Yes sir, I said.

Now the insults from Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus in 3,2,1 ....

 

[Big Ewis]

OOOOOhhhhh a giant of 2,02 m and 130 kg hitting a little man of 1,70 m and 80 kg. You must have courage to do it

my sentiment, exactly. I haven't seen the rest of it, but surely he got MOTM that game. An outstanding play, never would've bet on it.
(asterisk) Plus it's from behind, as usual, adding to the impressivenessosity of it.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

The topic is of Bakkies Botha retiring yes. But I am very offended by the fact that his faith has been brought into the debate.

I am a devout Christian just like Bakkies. We are taught from a very young age that we are born with sin. We as Christians carry the burden of sin with us everywhere we go. Jesus Christ died for our sins. But the sins still remain. Christians sin on a daily basis, it's part of being human. Christians do malicious things, even in the Bible. Bakkies is no angel, but neither am I. How often do we read about Pastors, Reverends, etc. doing malicious things?? They are supposed to be the ones who should set an example, yet, it's human nature to make mistakes/sin/do things you're not supposed to.

The thing is, what you as a Christian do after these acts were performed. Do you own up to it, accept the consquences and stand by your faith? or do you continue to do these things and fight whatever consequence is thrown at you?

Here is where Bakkies shows that he is indeed a good Christian. He has always accepted the outcomes after his acts. He was found guilty once of an eye gouge, which didn't have sufficient evidence, yet he took the punishment on the chin and went on with his life.

To use his faith against him, is IMHO the lowest you can go. We have no idea what his background was before he played rugby, hell, we don't know much about his personal life even now, apart from him loving hunting and having a braai. Maybe he was molested as a child, and his "acts" on the field is a form of coping mechanism, we don't know. To take his faith into question is unnecessary, and not relevant!

That's the problem, the religion is something of the Middle Ages. Man has evolved and no longer need religions that have made us much harm. This is the twenty-first century, the man plans to go to Mars, at the mean age was cool to be religious, now is cool to be an atheist / agnostic

Yes sir, I said.

Now the insults from Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus in 3,2,1 ....

All right guys, let's not allow this to turn into a debate about religion (that's not a request).

I've never liked Bakkies. In my eyes he's a thug and I think the sport would be much better without characters like him (indeed I think life would be better without characters without him). That being said, he's a great player and obviously the South African contingents love him. I'm sure he's the kind of guy you like to have on your team but hate to play against.

 

[sharkfan]

OOOOOhhhhh a giant of 2,02 m and 130 kg hitting a little man of 1,70 m and 80 kg. You must have courage to do it

Yes it take some effort stopping a 1.70m, 80kg man, that's lightning fast and can tear opposing defences apart with his speed and elusive sidestepping. I guess Bakkies was on the right place and time to stop Williams before he could go on another of his elusive runs. That was a perfectly legal tackle that was executed.

 

[McTallshort]

Got to agree with Ewis, if youre a devout Christian you should live and play by those principles. Bakkies most definately didn't.

This doesnt mean playing like a pussy, play hard but fair. Smash those clearouts, defend yourself and your mates and never take a backwards step. But to aim to hurt someone outside what is allowed? Yelling 'Christian' will not get you out of that. A true and good follower would not be mallicious in any form of life.

I say this as a roman catholic before anyone cries about my opinion.

Your having a laugh! christians have been going around being mallicious since well they nailed JC to the cross. Look at the Catholic church in Ireland in the care homes and convents, the crusades, witch burning, endless wars all in the name of God. Plenty of very devout christians do plenty of very shocking things. Botha headbutts someone and everyone gets on their high horse because hes a christian like that has ever stopped someone being a nasty *******.

 

[nickdnz]

Guys - Mr Fish has already warned that this isn't a religious discussion. Any more of it and the thread gets closed.