Bakkies Botha Retires

[gaston le gaff]

Whatever evrybody says i would have him in my team any day, the Bakkies, Cudmore's, Privat's, and Pape's of this world are becoming less and less, you always need a good lock if things get a little hot, for me he may have thrown a few cheap shots and others things but still a great player, rugby is a contact sport and with Bakkies you got exactly that and he never went backwards even with Mamuka always interesting when he was at Montpellier but now they are together at Toulon, nobody can match these two probably get a job with the Mafia as a hit man or something "FRIGHTENING"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sharkfan]

Justice4Bakkies

 

[FrenchFan]

I'd go to war with Bakkies. He is a real warrior. I heard Boudjellal in Toulon plans to clone a few dozens of Bakkies before they let him go home. Then he'll be able to sell them at a premium to FFR...

 

[sharkfan]

I'd go to war with Bakkies. He is a real warrior. I heard Boudjellal in Toulon plans to clone a few dozens of Bakkies before they let him go home. Then he'll be able to sell them at a premium to FFR...

He was hated and feared by so many opposing players, because his style of play was brutal, hard and uncompromising, true characteristics of Springbok rugby.

 

[Bull]

A great player that'll be missed. He mentioned he wants to play Currie Cup for one last season, would love it if he comes back to the Blue Bulls and torments the WP for a few more games. As for him being a dirty player, well that's debatable. He did have some dumb moments like the Cowen moment but overall he is a hard uncompromising player, that is the way rugby is played in SA and no-one bats an eye about it.

Cheers ou grote

 

[FrenchFan]

He was hated and feared by so many opposing players, because his style of play was brutal, hard and uncompromising, true characteristics of Springbok rugby.

He's not gone yet. He'll be dishing out some of his medicine to Top 14 players. So the show will go on a bit more...

 

[TRF_heineken]

A great player that'll be missed. He mentioned he wants to play Currie Cup for one last season, would love it if he comes back to the Blue Bulls and torments the WP for a few more games. As for him being a dirty player, well that's debatable. He did have some dumb moments like the Cowen moment but overall he is a hard uncompromising player, that is the way rugby is played in SA and no-one bats an eye about it.

Cheers ou grote

This!

I'd love to see him back in the Bulls jersey for just one more game at least! But I wonder if the Bulls would go through that legal battle again like they did before in regards with his contract.

My guess would be that if he has some sort of release clause he could invoke, that he should do that and then come back home, and make his swansong ending at Loftus for his Professional career. I would personally save up money to go and watch him one last time.

 

[Icemn]

****, i was hoping S awould be taking his "biltong" to the RWC... now they actaully have a chance to win it... blessing in disguise... now if only matfield/jannie/banana/JDV leave then the boks are taking this world cup...

bakkies, we will miss your headbutting and malicious play

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I'm not going to go into Bakkies' beliefs. I don't think there is a man (or woman) on this planet that isn't a living contradiction in some parts of their life and being a Christian doesn't mean you are Christ just like that. Passing judgment on others if anything is worse than anything Bakkies has ever done on a rugby field IMO.

Certainly I feel he got caught up in the media hype of being the SA 'enforcer' to the detriment of his game but to judge his character I feel is a stretch. Beyond that he was certainly a world class tighthead lock and a major part of success for the teams he played on and lets be honest here, every team needs a guy with a little bit of ****le to his game.

Dit was lekker om jou loopbaan te volg, Bakkies, dankie en sterkte met jou planne vorentoe!

 

[Big Ewis]

I'm not going to go into Bakkies' beliefs. I don't think there is a man (or woman) on this planet that isn't a living contradiction in some parts of their life and being a Christian doesn't mean you are Christ just like that. Passing judgment on others if anything is worse than anything Bakkies has ever done on a rugby field IMO.

I obviously won't even reply to heineken's hilarious post, but this one is surprising. From you ?? So it's *worse* from me that I call him out on his ridiculous conflicting claims he's a religious man when he's the biggest cheap shot ***** modern Rugby has ever seen ? The mere fact of observing this monumental-to-a-comedic point failure from his part is actually worse than what he's culpable of ? Isn't that slightly ridiculous ? :lol: your bias is quite formidable here stormer, come now ! A bit of hindsight !

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, there are no two ways about it.

 

[Icemn]

I obviously won't even reply to heineken's hilarious post, but this one is surprising. From you ?? So it's *worse* from me that I call him out on his ridiculous conflicting claims he's a religious man when he's the biggest cheap shot ***** modern Rugby has ever seen ? The mere fact of observing this monumental-to-a-comedic point failure from his part is actually worse than what he's culpable of ? Isn't that slightly ridiculous ? :lol: your bias is quite formidable here stormer, come now ! A bit of hindsight !

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, there are no two ways about it.

maybe Bakkies is just trying to tell everyone there is another side to him then the bashing monster everyone seen on tv. God did i just defend bakkies :?

Bakkies... perfect name for him... want hy het n donders lelike paar...

 

[TRF_heineken]

I obviously won't even reply to heineken's hilarious post, but this one is surprising. From you ?? So it's *worse* from me that I call him out on his ridiculous conflicting claims he's a religious man when he's the biggest cheap shot ***** modern Rugby has ever seen ? The mere fact of observing this monumental-to-a-comedic point failure from his part is actually worse than what he's culpable of ? Isn't that slightly ridiculous ? :lol: your bias is quite formidable here stormer, come now ! A bit of hindsight !

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, there are no two ways about it.

His religion doesn't have anything to do with his style of play.

When he overstepped the boundaries he was punished. Sometimes when he didn't overstep, he was still punished, and yet he took the punishment like a man. Don't know where you come up with his *****ing. He turned the other cheek when he got punished. If that's not the christian thing to do, then what is it??

 

[Beau Geste]

Every team has an enforcer and has done down the years. Colin Meads, Martin Johnson, Gerard Cholley, Geoff Wheel; to name a few, but there are many others. They never took any prisoners in the rough stuff and therefore no different to Bakkies.

 

[Big Ewis]

His religion doesn't have anything to do with his style of play.

When he overstepped the boundaries he was punished. Sometimes when he didn't overstep, he was still punished, and yet he took the punishment like a man. Don't know where you come up with his *****ing. He turned the other cheek when he got punished. If that's not the christian thing to do, then what is it??

I wouldn't reply, but just wanted you to know, as it is rare reading online posts by myself in my room. I actually giggled out loud

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I obviously won't even reply to heineken's hilarious post, but this one is surprising. From you ?? So it's *worse* from me that I call him out on his ridiculous conflicting claims he's a religious man when he's the biggest cheap shot ***** modern Rugby has ever seen ? The mere fact of observing this monumental-to-a-comedic point failure from his part is actually worse than what he's culpable of ? Isn't that slightly ridiculous ? :lol: your bias is quite formidable here stormer, come now ! A bit of hindsight !

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, there are no two ways about it.

I think it depends what your priorities are. My feeling is taking shots at a man's character is worse than dishing out some physical pain. Maybe I have a bias here but it's not that I am South African and I have called out Botha's cheap shots in many threads in the past while he was with SA and the Bulls, particularly his love of targeting scrum halves. My bias here is I too call myself a Christian and I too aren't a perfect person. My point is I feel we aren't in any position to judge another man's standing with God. My belief is faith Maybe I am just very sensitive to the issue I can admit that. You can judge his actions but we should never try to judge another man's heart/spirit is what I am getting at. Rugby is a contact sport and in SA at least that part of the game is celebrated (though Botha on many occasions has gone beyond what is considered 'within the game'). Hypocrisy is hypocrisy but there is no such thing as a natural man without it.

 

[nickdnz]

Meh, in my opinion enforcers stand up for their teammates when they get cheap shots. They're not the ones who always make them...Brad Thorn is a great example. For me a guy like Bismaark du Plessis is genuinely a better enforcer than Bakkies - very physical, hard and defends his team when the ****ly stuff happens. Anyway I'm not going to slag Bakkies off any more. He certainly has an impressive list of achievements to his game: World Cup, Lions Tour, Rugby Championship, Super Rugby, Top 14, Heineken Cup. Won pretty much all he has entered so he obviously adds some value to the team he plays for.

In terms of the religious stuff, it really wouldn't alter my opinion on him regardless. I can only judge him on the rugby he's played, I very much doubt if I went out for a beer with him - he'd tackle me to the ground and headbutt me. As a rugby player I felt he was dirty - and the point I think I and anyone who would possibly bring religion into it would be trying and failing to make - is that my opinion of him being formed purely based off his rugby career is contradictory to how he presents himself in public. He may spend all his private moments nursing birds with broken wings back to health, hugging Leopards with learning difficulties or whatever other noble things good people do. However his action on a rugby field naturally make me think of him as a villain - as having had these things done to me on a field, be an eye gouge or attempting to break a bone at the bottom of a ruck - while never having that inclination to genuinely really harm anyone myself - forces me to make character judgements on people who do these things. Whether in reality he is a good guy or not, I wouldn't really have a clue.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I think it depends what your priorities are. My feeling is taking shots at a man's character is worse than dishing out some physical pain. Maybe I have a bias here but it's not that I am South African and I have called out Botha's cheap shots in many threads in the past while he was with SA and the Bulls, particularly his love of targeting scrum halves. My bias here is I too call myself a Christian and I too aren't a perfect person. My point is I feel we aren't in any position to judge another man's standing with God. My belief is faith Maybe I am just very sensitive to the issue I can admit that. You can judge his actions but we should never try to judge another man's heart/spirit is what I am getting at. Rugby is a contact sport and in SA at least that part of the game is celebrated (though Botha on many occasions has gone beyond what is considered 'within the game'). Hypocrisy is hypocrisy but there is no such thing as a natural man without it.

Exactly!

South Africa is one of the countries with the greatest freedom of religion in the world. And myself am a christian. I am very offended when someone makes underhanded comments about my (and Bakkies) religion/faith. It is one area I think is overstepping the boundaries. I have respect for other religions, and you won't find me saying underhanded comments about religion or faith, no matter what it is.

 

[Big Ewis]

@TRF_stormer2010 (man that was painful to type out full..) we're not going to start a debate here about ethics and God, but it was given to us human beings to observe and identify hypocrisy, which is necessarily bad. You can't be hypocritical in a *good* way. This is the Crusades all over again, it's very nice and all well to pray, call out the name of God, mention Jesus and all things righteous and what not, but if you're doing blatant wrong, as in things that are clearly harmful and spiteful in nature objectively, obviously you're being a monumental hypocrite. I repeat (from my first post) this is the mafia guy who kills during the week and goes to church (or temple, or mosque, that is completely irrelevant which faith specifically) on Sunday. Can't do both dude. Can't do both. And as an individual, I can see that and understand it's bad, and a classic act of hypocrisy. If you then ask me what I think about that guy, I'll call him out on the things I know are objectively wrong, there's nothing that he can tell me that'll make it okay.

That's not between him and God, that he's a complete fkr on the field. That's nothing spiritual or personal, that's a role he's willing to fulfill wholeheartedly, publicly and with no compromise or withholding. He's 100% responsible for the creation of "Bakkies" Botha, and "Bakkies" Botha is morally reprehensible, so again, very funny he'd even have the nerve to then call himself a Christian and a man of God and what not and mention it profusely. You can clear out rucks, tackle hard - but when you taunt at every single fkng impact, you insult/demoralize other players in an unfair extra-curricular way, blowing kisses, staring down, winking sarcastically, intimidating like he breathes, engaging in scuffles on the regular (however minimal at times), take cheap shots just to get to players' heads like shoving people in the back and what not...
That is all things I can observe, call out and say "that's not good", ESPECIALLY when this is the same guy who calls himself religious.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I have overacted here and I apologize. I do feel I want to make 1 last remark here regarding faith and that is being a person of faith =/= a 'good' person. Not necessarily. Not from my POV which would be similar to Botha's POV I would imagine. A lot depends on where you are coming from and how far you have come in your 'journey'. For some it is a short journey for others not and in the end it's not about yourself but by the grace of God alone and no-one can say what is happening in the spiritual life of another. Yes, 'they will be known by the fruit they bare' but we don't have the whole story, no-one can ever have the whole story on any other and I have been overly sensitive here on what I felt was an assumption made too easily.

Edit; I didn't see your post before Big Ewis but while I agree with you there is a very important message that it is important to call out the sin otherwise you effectively have a share in it and the point is to weed out sin the more important message is love; too not judge the sinner but only the sin. Very difficult but critically important in understanding scripture.

 

[TRF_heineken]

@TRF_stormer2010 (man that was painful to type out full..) we're not going to start a debate here about ethics and God, but it was given to us human beings to observe and identify hypocrisy, which is necessarily bad. You can't be hypocritical in a *good* way. This is the Crusades all over again, it's very nice and all well to pray, call out the name of God, mention Jesus and all things righteous and what not, but if you're doing blatant wrong, as in things that are clearly harmful and spiteful in nature objectively, obviously you're being a monumental hypocrite. I repeat (from my first post) this is the mafia guy who kills during the week and goes to church (or temple, or mosque, that is completely irrelevant which faith specifically) on Sunday. Can't do both dude. Can't do both. And as an individual, I can see that and understand it's bad, and a classic act of hypocrisy. If you then ask me what I think about that guy, I'll call him out on the things I know are objectively wrong, there's nothing that he can tell me that'll make it okay.

That's not between him and God, that he's a complete fkr on the field. That's nothing spiritual or personal, that's a role he's willing to fulfill wholeheartedly, publicly and with no compromise or withholding. He's 100% responsible for the creation of "Bakkies" Botha, and "Bakkies" Botha is morally reprehensible, so again, very funny he'd even have the nerve to then call himself a Christian and a man of God and what not and mention it profusely. You can clear out rucks, tackle hard - but when you taunt at every single fkng impact, you insult/demoralize other players in an unfair extra-curricular way, blowing kisses, staring down, winking sarcastically, intimidating like he breathes, engaging in scuffles on the regular (however minimal at times), take cheap shots just to get to players' heads like shoving people in the back and what not...
That is all things I can observe, call out and say "that's not good", ESPECIALLY when this is the same guy who calls himself religious.

You do know that Christians commit sins just like any other person. Murder, theft are examples of what is in the 10 commandments yet, it is still being committed by Christians. We all sin. It's not a hypocrisy to sin.