A Political Thread

[TRF_Olyy]

Obviously Boris has received no abuse at all by Corbyn's cronies on social media

 

[ncurd]

Who care if two diametrically opposed political leaders make small talk with one another? This has never been or will be news.

The only issue is one of those leaders should have resigned 7 days ago...

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Why should he?
I wouldn't **** on BoJo if he was on fire, and with the way Corbyn has been treated/smeared by the Tories and their cronies why should he be all pally pally with them?

Because it would show gravitas and maturity. Two things that adults, let alone prospective world leaders should have, and Corbyn conspicuously hasn't. Toddler petulance on a state occasion isn't a good look.

I'm no Johnson fan and I didn't vote for either of them. I could possibly vote Bojo at a real push, but I would never ever have voted for Corbyn led Labour. And it seems I'm not alone. A liability and totally out of his depth.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Who care if two diametrically opposed political leaders make small talk with one another? This has never been or will be news.

The only issue is one of those leaders should have resigned 7 days ago...

Of course it doesn't matter, but it just says a lot about the individuals.

You can have a like for the second part of your post.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Broke: Caring about racism, homophobia, austerity, increasing wealth gap, increasing strain on/privatisation of public services/healthcare
Woke: Caring about whether Bojo and Corbyn exchanged Christmas cards

 

[ncurd]

Apparently disagreeing with a woman for a different opinion to you and explaining why you disagree is manplaining now...

Like why do these things get so far removed from their original intent. Mansplaining is where a guy passes off his authority to something to a woman as if she knows nothing when shes actually higher authority....it utterly should be called out.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So we're a week in and so far the Conservatives have:
Removed protections for workers rights from the brexit bill,
Removed safe guards for child refugees from the brexit bill,
Back tracked on their pledge to increase the minimum wage to £10.50 by 2024

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

TBH didn't know it only costs £3 to be able to vote for the Labour leader.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Ok Lefties. Put Iraq aside before watching this:

 

[TRF_Olyy]

No one is saying don't listen to the war criminal, just never forget that he lied and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people died as a result.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

No one is saying don't listen to the war criminal, just never forget that he lied and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people died as a result.

yeah the bit where he says about needing to think about what is replacing Corbyn's advisors/kind of politics had a eery echo of well why didn't he and Bush think about what was replacing Saddam Hussein?

Still, he does make good points in the interview of how Labour can get back to being a force again. And let's face it British politics needs a strong Centre left opposition to challenge the Tories and not become an irrelevance.

 

[Reiser99]

I'm still waiting for @duncanb to respond to my point on postal votes...

 

[Yoshimitsu]

yeah the bit where he says about needing to think about what is replacing Corbyn's advisors/kind of politics had a eery echo of well why didn't he and Bush think about what was replacing Saddam Hussein?

Still, he does make good points in the interview of how Labour can get back to being a force again. And let's face it British politics needs a strong Centre left opposition to challenge the Tories and not become an irrelevance.

He may well be right but even with what I believe to be the finest politician of our era the lustre fades and the war crimes remain. Does Blair believe that those that have wrested power care more about electability or their principles? He's wrong from the off. Momentum are ideologically driven. Despite their message not resonating with much of the U.K populace, they believe they are absolutely right and everyone else is simply mistaken. Nothing wrong with that, but it cannot carry the country. Blair recognises that but what he doesn't seem to concede is that they have won the war for the party. Labour is dead. The have seized the reigns to power and will not relinquish them. Momentum revile the Blairites. The Blairites know that without a middle ground they are stuffed. By driving the party to extreme it's dead. Tony wants a big tent, but you can't have that with the far left. They are too energetic and zealous.

I see no future for Labour. The fact Corbyn hasn't already been condemned to his allotment speaks volumes. In rugby terms this would be the equivalent of the All Blacks getting absolutely belted by a tier two nation and then their coach saying "Hang on a bit, it was pure luck, nothing wrong with our play, they just played in the "wrong way" and thus won".........

Note this is no ringing endorsement of Boris Johnson and the Tories. He's a lying, selfish ******. The Tories are as bad as they have ever been. For Labour to be worse than that was a pretty fine effort.....

 

[Bada-Bing!]

He may well be right but even with what I believe to be the finest politician of our era the lustre fades and the war crimes remain. Does Blair believe that those that have wrested power care more about electability or their principles? He's wrong from the off. Momentum are ideologically driven. Despite their message not resonating with much of the U.K populace, they believe they are absolutely right and everyone else is simply mistaken. Nothing wrong with that, but it cannot carry the country. Blair recognises that but what he doesn't seem to concede is that they have won the war for the party. Labour is dead. The have seized the reigns to power and will not relinquish them. Momentum revile the Blairites. The Blairites know that without a middle ground they are stuffed. By driving the party to extreme it's dead. Tony wants a big tent, but you can't have that with the far left. They are too energetic and zealous.

I see no future for Labour. The fact Corbyn hasn't already been condemned to his allotment speaks volumes. In rugby terms this would be the equivalent of the All Blacks getting absolutely belted by a tier two nation and then their coach saying "Hang on a bit, it was pure luck, nothing wrong with our play, they just played in the "wrong way" and thus won".........

Note this is no ringing endorsement of Boris Johnson and the Tories. He's a lying, selfish ******. The Tories are as bad as they have ever been. For Labour to be worse than that was a pretty fine effort.....

So what you're saying is Momentum don't want power, then what do they ultimately want? Just keep Labour as an unelectable Cult of extreme leftistism?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So what you're saying is Momentum don't want power

I mean, that's pretty clearly not what he's saying...

Momentum's issue is that they feel strongly enough about their beliefs that they won't bend/meet in the middle.
Of course they want power but they want to (think it's possible to) get it by convincing others to come around to your way of thinking, rather than changing your message to appeal to a larger audience.
Unfortunately for them that's just a pipe dream and will never happen - if Labour want to win, as has been stated a thousand times, they need to appeal to the centre not just the left.
Good luck getting Momentum et al to sell out their principles to do so, though.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I mean, that's pretty clearly not what he's saying...

Momentum's issue is that they feel strongly enough about their beliefs that they won't bend/meet in the middle.
Of course they want power but they want to (think it's possible to) get it by convincing others to come around to your way of thinking, rather than changing your message to appeal to a larger audience.
Unfortunately for them that's just a pipe dream and will never happen - if Labour want to win, as has been stated a thousand times, they need to appeal to the centre not just the left.
Good luck getting Momentum et al to sell out their principles to do so, though.

God, I did not realise that they are that Deluded.

 

[duncanb]

I'm still waiting for @duncanb to respond to my point on postal votes...

Sorry missed your post on this issue.
I have posted consistently I see as a none issue we fall in line vast amount of countries across the world and all of EU.
Once again I care not if stay the same or require what vast majority of others do.
Are we as a country so superior to others or just a late comer to modernist thinking on elections.
I just find it hard when some think this a retrograde step not just following a common convention.
As always I respect others opinion if I agree or not.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Comedy video of the year. Wow, over 1400 viewers/on the call and they were applauding themselves for that.

Best bit was when she said let's have a round of applause for the next PM of the UK.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

So what you're saying is Momentum don't want power, then what do they ultimately want? Just keep Labour as an unelectable Cult of extreme leftistism?

Honestly? My personal belief is that ideologues believe they "deserve" power. Even in the aftermath of a catastrophic defeat there were attempts to claim that the arguments had been won, it was just those pesky kids in the media that had done for Jeremy Corbyn. This entitlement becomes crippling and as the Blairites have discovered to their cost brooks no criticism. Momentum are zealots and act like them. Heretics are cast out and metaphorically burned. The centre ground is thus cleansed and the Tories can't believe their luck.

Just think on this for a minute. Diane Abbott is still on the opposition front benches. Why? Because she's ideologically acceptable to the core. The fact that she's an absolute clusterfuck in terms of electability (beyond her constituency) tells you everything you need to know about the current party machinery. They believe that people should listen to / like / respect her but she's anathema to many people. In my view, yes they would rather lose than concede that.