A Political Thread

[Leonormous Boozer]

There's also the simple fact that most of the time people blame the EU for this kind of 'meddlesome' it actually turns out to be our government who pushed for the changes or at least helped them along. Sometimes its got duck all to do with the EU. I remember one time someone who was anti-EU was getting wound up but because our products got caught up in new export laws and kept saying to everyone 'bloody EU'. I looked up the export rule he was quoting turned out to be NATO.....

Yeah, I didn't think their was much point in noting that EU legislation is often a minimum threshold to be transposed that more developed countries go above and beyond to meet their own requirements.

that is absolute nonsense. we have provided services to the disabled customers for 15 years. You havent a clue what youre talking about and you havent a clue about the monstrosity of a website either. none of which makes anything safer. if anything its worse as all companies will spent vastly more time on a vast incomprehensible database that no one understands. its been delayed for years such is its complexity. as for disabled rights and so on. the eu websites mean all disabled children and families lose all their contracts and have to start again with new firms drivers carers. All of which upsets the children, especially autistic children massively. furthermore labour the self proclaimed caring party made it illegal to move disabled hand controls from one vehicle to another even if its the same make and model. this means an extra £500 expense for all disabled people who need hand controls every time they buy a vehicle

And if you are transporting children with disabilities the same way today as you were 15 years ago that would be inadequate today. The purpose of such a database is to ensure standards are being met in such a way that invasive and costly routine inspections aren't required extensively and that each individual business knows exactly what is required of them to meet standards. It's burdensome because it absolutely should be when your business involves meeting the duty of care as a direct dependant of children with disabilities.
I have no reason to believe that your business isn't top class from a care perspective but not every business in your field will be, this particular legislation is to protect some of the most vulnerable in society, access to businesses in the field isn't something that should be high on the list of priorities. Upsetting children isnt great, I give you that but if it lowers the risk of them being involved in a truly traumatic incident as a result of carers shirking their responsibilities or taking shortcuts it's the correct thing to do.

 

[Groundhog]

first off i didnt say rosey so why yet again do you make wrongful assumptions....second the smes narrowly voted brexit over remain....third ive detailed extensively how it affects my businesses here and transport especially has been destroyed by the eu for decades.

Right so if my assumption is wrong that means we agree that SMEs by and large will be negatively affected by Brexit?

 

[ncurd]

you want proof british steel has come back and the pound has fallen? have you been living under a rock? google it lazybones

No for most SME's have been better off.


Well British Steel didn't exist....it was still Tata....and they are not a SME.
What became British Steel has done better but over 1000 employees were made redundant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Steel_Limited

"As part of the takeover, new agreements were made with workers and unions, including a wage cut, end to bonus schemes, and the end of a final salary pension scheme."

So great for Greybull shareholders, less great for its employee's but at least they had their paycut reversed.


But that's one good thing I'm sure the people who live in Swindon (Honda) and Sunderland (Nissan) think this is all going swimmingly.
It should be also noted the reduction of the pound is screwing anyone heavilly reliant on imports. Its not all a bed of roses.

But again I'm asking you to prove what saying instead of mouthing off. You keep asserting 'truths' with no evidence and refuse to back those up when you do.

 

[ncurd]

The same British steel that cut 400 jobs last winter?

Just clarify with my 1000 quote they had 5000 employees when Greybull took over Tata they have 4000 now....

Like I say great for shreholders.

 

[truthteller]

The same British steel that cut 400 jobs last winter?

But has increased steel jobs by 8000 in the last 3 years a fact you choose to dishonestly ignore.
Autumn of 2015 saw the end of 170 years of iron and steelmaking in Redcar. And in 2016, plummeting global steel prices, a flood of imports, unfavourable exchange rates and high energy costs put the whole of this once great industry on the verge of collapse. The Port Talbot site alone was haemorrhaging over £1 million per day and the declining sector employed a mere 24,000 people. However this number has now increased to around 32,000.

 

[General Melchett]

The falling pound is only one factor and doesn't tell the whole story on how SME's are affected. Many multinational companies (to which British SMEs provide services to) have or will relocate their European HQ's from the UK to another EU country as a result of Brexit. Also the European Banking Regulator and European Medicines Agency will move from London to Paris and Amsterdam respectively as a result of Brexit. All of this will have a huge adverse affect on British SMEs. When you weigh up all factors the net effect will be hugely adverse which is consistent with the large economic hit that most so called experts predict. When the dust settles years from now, Brexit will be regarded as a huge self harming protest vote.

 

[truthteller]

Trump did more to target dumping of cheap chinese steel than the EU who have been asleep at the wheel on this for decades.

 

[ncurd]

But has increased steel jobs by 8000 in the last 3 years a fact you choose to dishonestly ignore.
Autumn of 2015 saw the end of 170 years of iron and steelmaking in Redcar. And in 2016, plummeting global steel prices, a flood of imports, unfavourable exchange rates and high energy costs put the whole of this once great industry on the verge of collapse. The Port Talbot site alone was haemorrhaging over £1 million per day and the declining sector employed a mere 24,000 people. However this number has now increased to around 32,000.

Evidence please

 

[truthteller]

the same so called experts who got everything else spectacularly worng

The falling pound is only one factor and doesn't tell the whole story on how SME's are affected. Many multinational companies (to which British SMEs provide services to) have or will relocate their European HQ's from the UK to another EU country as a result of Brexit. Also the European Banking Regulator and European Medicines Agency will move from London to Paris and Amsterdam respectively as a result of Brexit. All of this will have a huge adverse affect on British SMEs. When you weigh up all factors the net effect will be hugely adverse which is consistent to the economic hit that most so called experts predict. When the dust settles years from now, Brexit will be regarded as a huge self harm protest vote.[/uote

Evidence please

do your own homework in future https://steel-solutions.nl/brexit-the-steel-industry/

 

[truthteller]

The falling pound is only one factor and doesn't tell the whole story on how SME's are affected. Many multinational companies (to which British SMEs provide services to) have or will relocate their European HQ's from the UK to another EU country as a result of Brexit. Also the European Banking Regulator and European Medicines Agency will move from London to Paris and Amsterdam respectively as a result of Brexit. All of this will have a huge adverse affect on British SMEs. When you weigh up all factors the net effect will be hugely adverse which is consistent to the economic hit that most so called experts predict. When the dust settles years from now, Brexit will be regarded as a huge self harming protest vote.

Lol yeah the same people whose predictions have been hopelessly wrong all the way through ....Id rather deal in facts than your jedi future seeing biblical prophets of doom
facts...stock markets up over 25% across all the ftse 100 250 and 350...pensions up....highest numbers in employment in 50 odd years, pensions annuities up, wages up beyond inflation, unemployment down etc etc But youd rather ignore these facts and listen instead to your biblical prophets , tea leaf readers and crystal balls lol

 

[General Melchett]

Lol yeah the same people whose predictions have been hopelessly wrong all the way through ....Id rather deal in facts than your jedi future seeing biblical prophets of doom
facts...stock markets up over 25% across all the ftse 100 250 and 350...pensions up....highest numbers in employment in 50 odd years, pensions annuities up, wages up beyond inflation, unemployment down etc etc But youd rather ignore these facts and listen instead to your biblical prophets , tea leaf readers and crystal balls lol

Businesses, including SMEs would collapse if they didn't use forecasts and consider future economic conditions as part of their planning so to suggest that we should only be dealing in facts is just ludicrous. Same goes for Governments when they prepare annual budgets.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

do your own homework in future https://steel-solutions.nl/brexit-the-steel-industry/

Think you need to do your homework.
2016 32,000 people where employed in the British steel the number of 24,000 which you are claiming it rosed from was actually using the narrower definition of the steel industry, which excludes those who work in steel processing.

So the numbers hasn't actually increased. You're just using two very different employment figures.

here is the gov report on the figures in 2016
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7317/CBP-7317.pdf

 

[General Melchett]

Just heard on the news that some Tories who have rejected May's deal twice will support it on condition that she quits. This makes no sense if they voted it down based on principle. Just goes to prove that they are more concerned with short term politics than the country's long term economic prosperity. Disgraceful.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Reese-Moggs investment firm made £103m profit in the last 5 years and he's paid a whopping £0 in tax on it.

Man of the people.

 

[ncurd]

Think you need to do your homework.

This a typical tactic they assert something as the truth. When they get called out to provide evidence they tell you to look it up when the onus should always be on the person presenting the argument. Then even if they do you find the entire finding are completely botched.

 

[Which Tyler]

It's a pretty common logical fallacy

 

[General Melchett]

Labour's position as agreed at it's party conference is to push for a people's vote when other options are off the table. Why isn't Corbyn getting more heat for not publicly supporting this position? He's gone missing in action just like the referendum campaign. The media and his own party should be hammering him for it.

 

[ncurd]

Labour's position as agreed at it's party conference is to push for a people's vote when other options are off the table. Why isn't Corbyn getting more heat for not publicly supporting this position? He's gone missing in action just like the referendum campaign. The media and his own party should be hammering him for it.

Because the 'media' want Brexit. His complete ineffectiveness plays into their hands, they don't want a competent Labour leader. Someone like Yvette Cooper would wipe the floor with this Tory mess.

 

[truthteller]

Just heard on the news that some Tories who have rejected May's deal twice will support it on condition that she quits. This makes no sense if they voted it down based on principle. Just goes to prove that they are more concerned with short term politics than the country's long term economic prosperity. Disgraceful.

yea disgraceful and opportunistic, sadly labour have been just as selfish maybe moreso

 

[truthteller]

Because the 'media' want Brexit. His complete ineffectiveness plays into their hands, they don't want a competent Labour leader. Someone like Yvette Cooper would wipe the floor with this Tory mess.

bbc are anti brexit