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As far as I can see she hadn't even denounced Isis. She doesn't regret going, but is worried for her unborn child because her other two were killed, I think she was quoted as saying. So basically still believes in Isis ideologically but would also like the benefits of safety and protection and rule of law from a western Liberal Democracy please. **** her, frankly, 15 or no she voluntarily joined an organisation dedicated to large-scale murder. Give her citizenship/place in society/resources to a refugee displaced by the war she supported instead.

I do feel awful for the baby though, that's the only thing.
 
She's still got IS sympathies despite fleeing from what's left of the Caliphate . So if she is allowed back to give birth, the baby should be taken into care imo. And what do they do wirh her? No idea. She'll be hounded for the rest of her life.
 
Her being 15 is the mitigating factor in this, technically a minor means we as a nation do expect children of her age to fully understand the consequences of her action.

I know that is tough to swallow at times especially in cases such as this.
 
Odd scenario legally. Sounds more or less like if she can make her own way back to the UK she'd be sound, it seems fair. I can't see her getting any job worth writing home about and she won't be able to do anything without being watched for her entire life, whether she makes it back or not she's done ****** her life up good.
 
She's made her bed, she should stay where she is rather than costing us the time, money and resources to monitor her here for the rest of her life...
 
There'll be the obvious outrage that she left voluntarily and now wants to come back. She didn't fight out there as far as I am aware. But she rejected the way of life here and now wants back for the sake of her unborn child after the first two she had died.

Still leaving as a minor is her only other mitigating factor and the unborn child is innocent. If she wants to return to have it then so be it, but my personal thoughts are she should not be allowed to bring it up and indoctrinate it.
 
It's a pity her trying to come back isn't happening during the EU referendum campaigning in 2016. No doubt the Leave campaign would find a way of using this story to get people to vote Leave even though it has nothing to do with the EU.

Agree that her age and the innocent unborn child are the ONLY mitigating factors. If she is allowed back I would force her to spend time with families who have suffered loss through terrorism such as in London or Manchester so that she understands what ISIS are all about.
 
The Oggmonster said:
I would force her to spend time with families who have suffered loss through terrorism such as in London or Manchester so that she understands what ISIS are all about.
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Given that she will have seen these as victories for her cause and given her beliefs and what she claims to stand for not sure what the point of this exercise would be TBH...
 
Chief Pete said:
Given that she will have seen these as victories for her cause and given her beliefs and what she claims to stand for not sure what the point of this exercise would be TBH...
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Maybe that's the problem, that she hasn't seen first hand the consequences of their actions. She should at least understand from a mother's perspective given that she's considering the welfare of her unborn child. I'm certainly not advocating her return and if she shows no remorse afterwards then that's another matter.
 
The Oggmonster said:
If she shows no remorse afterwards then that's another matter.
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I see your point, but why take that risk? or why should she have the right to that opportunity?, I understand people make mistakes and second chances but where do you draw the line, she still believes in her cause and for me that makes her dangerous...
 
The unborn child has been found innocent of all charges m'lord.

A child in the womb cannot be held responsible for it's parent's stupidity.

Let her in, have the kid, then when mom and baby are fit and healthy, do a Psych profile - either (i) take the baby off her and give to adoption and send Miss ISIS back out to Saudi Arabia or similar, or (ii) let her stay with her baby and wise herself up.
 
Chief Pete said:
I see your point, but why take that risk? or why should she have the right to that opportunity?, I understand people make mistakes and second chances but where do you draw the line, she still believes in her cause and for me that makes her dangerous...
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Her age at the time and the unborn child can't be ignored though . If it were up to me I would put her on some kind of reform and reintegration program with conditions attached. If she still has the same views after turning 18 and shows no remorse then I would strip her of her citizenship and deport her. Social services could potentially take the child off her if she's deemed unfit parent.
 
Chief Pete said:
She is now 19 and has the same views...
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Yes but is fresh from living out there and hasn't undergone the reform program I mentioned. If that doesn't work then I agree, deport. For the record, I have no sympathy for her whatsoever and don't like that she's coming back just to access some free NHS treatment and not to re-integrate herself into society. I would definitely have conditions attached to her coming back.
 
Chief Pete said:
She is now 19 and has the same views...
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Does she? How do you know? Have you extensively profiled her whilst being an expert on the subject? She's trying to return to this country so she can't be 100% aligned with her views of the past.
 
All I;m saying is a lot of this country are extremely quick to judge with very little nuance or understanding of a case as a whole in a lot of circumstances and want to run soundbite headlines. Its never simple and these things are vastly complex for a lot of reasons.
 
ncurd said:
Does she? How do you know? Have you extensively profiled her whilst being an expert on the subject? She's trying to return to this country so she can't be 100% aligned with her views of the past.
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I mean in her interview it seems like it.

And surely the interview stage would be one where you would try to butter everyone up.
 
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