A Political Thread

[ncurd]

Whenever companies have to make redundancies because of Brexit, can they legally let go those who voted for Brexit first?

Sadly not anyone who's been through redundancy program knows it requires some level of jumping through hoops and the criteria must be work related. Companies do get rid of who they want but if a Brexiteer was getting excellent reviews they'd struggle to create criteria which puts them below others.

 

[Which Tyler]

My (uninformed) understanding; is that you can't fire someone for their political views.
However, if your company was having to make lay-offs anyway; it'd be rather difficult to prove that political views were the reason for the firing.

It's certainly not something I would ever be comfortable considering.

Of course, Brexit will prpbably mean much less in the form of employee protection; so it might be legal post-Brexit...

 

[big ginger 8]

Certainly at the moment they are protected under EU anti-discrimination law.

 

[General Melchett]

Whenever companies have to make redundancies because of Brexit, can they legally let go those who voted for Brexit first?

[I'd assume the vote was anonymous, so they could only rely on folks volunteering the information - but Brexiteers are by-and-by large a pretty angry bunch so it wouldn't be hard to tease the truth out.]

If it could be demonstrated with stats and data that (inevitable) economic harm was caused by Brexit, I would love to introduce a Brexit tax and hammer all those who voted for it. I would also love to prosecute the politicians in the Leave campaign for mis-selling or misrepresentation.

The process was so flawed - how can it be that those politicians who made the promises of a fantasy Brexit weren't forced to take office and attempt to deliver what they promised. It's like Labour winning a General Election and then saying we'll let someone else try to deliver the promises in our manifesto.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I wouldn't want to go after those that voted leave.

The leavers missold it.
The remainders did a **** poor effort in selling it
And The EU played a massive park in the downfall.

The areas that voted leave on the whole are already the areas being left behind by government.

The whole punish those who voted leave is spiteful **** that you expect from the leave campaign

 

[General Melchett]

I wouldn't want to go after those that voted leave.

The leavers missold it.
The remainders did a **** poor effort in selling it
And The EU played a massive park in the downfall.

The areas that voted leave on the whole are already the areas being left behind by government.

The whole punish those who voted leave is spiteful **** that you expect from the leave campaign

I'm sure many leave voters voted in good faith based on what they were told but let's not forget that there were many vile racist xenophobes who rose from the dead, took the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon and use the whole issue as an excuse to unleash their hate on innocent people. After the result there was an unacceptable level of abuse directed at EU nationals living the UK.

I'm not saying the EU are perfect but they can't really be subject to any blame here. The referendum and result was brought about and delivered within the UK.

Corbyn effectively lied by claiming to be a Remainer and made no effort to support the Remain campaign. He should have on the Leave side and have the guts to face the fall out from his party as a result.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I'm sure many leave voters voted in good faith based on what they were told but let's not forget that there were many vile racist xenophobes who rose from the dead, took the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon and use the whole issue as an excuse to unleash their hate on innocent people. After the result there was an unacceptable level of abuse directed at EU nationals living the UK.

I'm not saying the EU are perfect but they can't really be subject to any blame here. The referendum and result was brought about and delivered within the UK.

Corbyn effectively lied by claiming to be a Remainer and made no effort to support the Remain campaign. He should have on the Leave side and have the guts to face the fall out from his party as a result.

Yes they can be subject to plenty of blame here.
The EU at that time let populist demands take over the sensible approach because it was election periods coming up and some governments saw it as a good time, for some potentially good PR.
A Referendum wouldn't have been needed if the EU had just been a little bit flexible with Cameron's original talks.

Sure some vile people jumped on the bandwagons.

But like Trumps america in a political landscape where the left is abandoning it's traditional voters and middle class voters and the Right is doing it's usual who is left to vote for? The anti government party who welcomes you with open arms.

Happening everywhere all over Europe and the western world.
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(Edited as I was ranting).

 

[Which Tyler]

Sorry - could you expand on why it's the EU's fault please; 'cos I'm just not seeing it.
My memory suggests that he EU were flexible with Cameron, who got more than he expected to out of them; and certainly more than anyone had a right to expect.


FTR; I agree with your rant on the working class being left behind and ignored by both main parties. Though I disagree that being working class means that they aren't also privileged.

 

[General Melchett]

Yes they can be subject to plenty of blame here.
The EU at that time let populist demands take over the sensible approach because it was election periods coming up and some governments saw it as a good time, for some potentially good PR.
A Referendum wouldn't have been needed if the EU had just been a little bit flexible with Cameron's original talks.

Sure some vile people jumped on the bandwagons.

(Edited as I was ranting).

It was effectively a protest vote that will most likely turn out to be self harming. If there was any justice the people who should be harmed the most are the right wing lying millionaire toffs on the Leave side and the racist scum who saw it as an opportunity to unleash their hate.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Sorry - could you expand on why it's the EU's fault please; 'cos I'm just not seeing it.
They were flexible with Cameron, who got more than he expected to out of them; and certainly more than anyone had a right to expect.

I'm not saying that is was all the EU's fault.
But the handling of the migrant crisis by them which was **** poor from the start, was certainly the catalyst for all this, followed by lack of accountability.

I disagree on the more than he expected out of them, considering he placed the Referendum (Which he didn't want) on said talks that didn't work out.

It was effectively a protest vote that will most likely turn out to be self harming. If there was any justice the people who should be harmed the most are the right wing lying millionaire toffs on the Leave side and the racist scum who saw it as an opportunity to unleash their hate.

I agree with that. Especially the core of MP's who are insistent of controlling a narrative they have zero accountability over or any majority support over. (And the media)
I just don't see the positive of blaming the people who are already at the bottom like the workers at the plants closing down.

May, Cameron, Corbyn, Johnson, Reese-Mogg, etc etc etc all will go down in the history books for being main players in the worst government in UK history. (Which is saying something)

 

[General Melchett]

Rees-Mogg is a weasel who doesn't have the guts to govern and be accountable. He is head of the ERG which is basically a right wing nationalist group of political pundits within the Tory party who spend all their time gobbing off in the media and have no intention of leading, governing or making an actual difference to society.

The next leader of the Tory party basically needs to get rid of this shower and force them to start their own party as they are effectively a single issue shower, just like UKIP.

 

[Amiga500]

FTR; I agree with your rant on the working class being left behind and ignored by both main parties. Though I disagree that being working class means that they aren't also privileged.

If they think they are being left behind now - wait till the automation revolution really kicks off!

But school and education is for wussies. Innit guv. Yeah.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Boohoo ban all wool clothing, wool is biodegradable and good for sheep when done to a proper standard... Is this what Rob Lipsett died for?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Boohoo ban all wool clothing, wool is biodegradable and good for sheep when done to a proper standard... Is this what Rob Lipsett died for?

Just typical PETA stuff innit.

Boohoo prob wanted an excuse to cut on quality and costs like they usually do.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Just typical PETA stuff innit.

Boohoo prob wanted an excuse to cut on quality and costs like they usually do.

They literally send about 4 different plastic bags with each order, absolutely destroying fish already so might as well go after sheep!

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

They literally send about 4 different plastic bags with each order, absolutely destroying fish already so might as well go after sheep!

BuT WHaT aBOUt ThOSe VidEOs ShOWIng a CoUpLe DICkHeAdS ShEErInG SheEP

 

[McTallshort]

If they think they are being left behind now - wait till the automation revolution really kicks off!

But school and education is for wussies. Innit guv. Yeah.

You really are an ignorant twat

 

[Amiga500]

You really are an ignorant twat

Probably am alright!

I was lucky that my parents understood the value of education. Too many don't - in fact - too many aren't fit to be parents at all.


As for the real reason for the comment - its half tongue in cheek - in 30 years time when most menial tasks in the developed world are automated - what do those with very little in terms of education do?

McDonalds? Sure that'll be robots.
Sweep the streets? Robots.
Empty the bins? Robots.
Drive taxis? Robots.

etc
etc
etc

Yes, you can point to the past and say people got jobs servicing the machines that took away the jobs and to a degree that is true - but these are going to be highly complex machines which will be subject more to software updates - walking out of school with no GCSEs and no trades means your pretty much unemployable - for life.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Probably am alright!

I was lucky that my parents understood the value of education. Too many don't - in fact - too many aren't fit to be parents at all.

As for the real reason for the comment - its half tongue in cheek - in 30 years time when most menial tasks in the developed world are automated - what do those with very little in terms of education do?

Well according to you Uk with be a dystopian wasteland full of poverty, so that would be the less of our worries.

 

[Amiga500]

Well according to you Uk with be a dystopian wasteland full of poverty, so that would be the less of our worries.

That's true (in the event of a no-deal exit).