A Political Thread

[Chief Pete]

All I;m saying is a lot of this country are extremely quick to judge with very little nuance or understanding of a case as a whole in a lot of circumstances and want to run soundbite headlines. Its never simple and these things are vastly complex for a lot of reasons.

There is an interview out there in which she state's she has no regrets, my opinion isn't based on an headline nor is it based in ignorance, I was a fitter/mechanic in the army for nigh on 13 years and maybe that has effected my opinion, I simply think that joining a "cause" such as she has and realising it's not all it's cracked up to be and that the NHS in a country which she turned her back on now seems like a better solution to be a tad cheeky, I've had ex army mates come out and not had the after care and wound up mentally scarred for life so I base my opinion on experience not headlines and not ignorance....

 

[ncurd]

There is an interview out there in which she state's she has no regrets, my opinion isn't based on an headline nor is it based in ignorance, I was a fitter/mechanic in the army for nigh on 13 years and maybe that has effected my opinion, I simply think that joining a "cause" such as she has and realising it's not all it's cracked up to be and that the NHS in a country which she turned her back on now seems like a better solution to be a tad cheeky, I've had ex army mates come out and not had the after care and wound up mentally scarred for life so I base my opinion on experience not headlines and not ignorance....

Was the interview conducted by a journalist or an expert in dealing with these matters?

Your other argument is veterans don't get the care they need so someone else doesn't deserve the care they require. That's a terrible argument everyone should be getting the care they require.

And sorry I'm of a firm belief that no one at 15 years of age fully understand the decision's they've make in fact there has been research which calculates most to be in thier mid 20's before they've fully matured as an adult at an intellectual level. Unlike a lot of people I try to remember what I was like at that age and remember all stupid **** I use to say or do.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Was the interview conducted by a journalist or an expert in dealing with these matters?

Your other argument is veterans don't get the care they need so someone else doesn't deserve the care they require. That's a terrible argument everyone should be getting the care they require.

And sorry I'm of a firm belief that no one at 15 years of age fully understand the decision's they've make in fact there has been research which calculates most to be in thier mid 20's before they've fully matured as an adult at an intellectual level. Unlike a lot of people I try to remember what I was like at that age and remember all stupid **** I use to say or do.

Ok so what did you do that is comparable?

 

[Chief Pete]

so someone else doesn't deserve the care they require.

I didn't say that.....and if that's how you've read it then you've misunderstood.

 

[ncurd]

Ok so what did you do that is comparable?

Nothing quite so silly as 'leave the country and fight for far-right religious fundamentalist regime' but I did say a lot of stupid **** concerning 9/11 and how the American's had it coming. Like I say I renounce that view entirely and am pretty disgusted with it.

Either way people do monumentally stupid things in their youth and a lot of the time they are extremely reluctant to admit they were wrong.

My point is merely this should assessed by experts not trial by media.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

She's said literally the only reason she's coming back is for the NHS.
She's not repentant, she just doesn't want her kid to get sick.

It'd be different if she was a different person now to she was at 15 but she's not, and she's not even pretending to be.

 

[ncurd]

I didn't say that.....and if that's how you've read it then you've misunderstood.

What was your point then? Because all your bought up that you were mechanic in the army, that you had friends and they were traumatised by what they saw....you've not explained why your experience has any actual relevance.

 

[ncurd]

She's said literally the only reason she's coming back is for the NHS.
She's not repentant, she just doesn't want her kid to get sick.

It'd be different if she was a different person now to she was at 15 but she's not, and she's not even pretending to be.

In a media interview....seriously guys we don't believe half the crap a Rugby coach says after a game why is our burden of truth much lower in other matters.

If an expert interviews her behind closed doors, finds her not repetant without a view to integrate back into society fine. But I'm not going to judge the girl from one interview with a journalist.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I remember being 15 and doing stupid **** but even 15 years old know joining an internationally condemned terrorist organisation involved in mass murder, persecution and destruction of historical artifacts is seriously ******* stupid. I cannot for one second believe a 15 year old would not understand the consequences of joining ISIS.

I am a big believer that children should no suffer for the mistakes of their parents so I think if she was let in to give birth here, the child should be removed immediately and then deport her.

 

[McTallshort]

Does she? How do you know? Have you extensively profiled her whilst being an expert on the subject? She's trying to return to this country so she can't be 100% aligned with her views of the past.

Think she said something along the lines of ISIS should fail because they are corrupt but she still believes in a Caliphate. She discribed not being fazed seeing a severed head because it was an enemy of islam.

Girls a wrong en

 

[TRF_Olyy]

In a media interview....seriously guys we don't believe half the crap a Rugby coach says after a game why is our burden of truth much lower in other matters.

If an expert interviews her behind closed doors, finds her not repetant without a view to integrate back into society fine. But I'm not going to judge the girl from one interview with a journalist.

Surely she'd be more likely to lie in a media interview?
Coming out and saying you still love ISIS isn't gonna endear you to the immigration committee

 

[Chief Pete]

What was your point then? Because all your bought up that you were mechanic in the army, that you had friends and they were traumatised by what they saw....you've not explained why your experience has any actual relevance.

My point was that my opinion is not based on reading a newspaper or lazy journalism which is what you alluded to at the beginning of our chat, my experience is relevant and I brought up my army past to stop anyone from accusing me of such...

My opinion is born out of the fact that I've been there and I've witnessed atrocities and the consequences, this girl supported those action's and has gone on record of stating she has no regrets, even if she turn out to be Mother Teresa, I'll always have a sour taste, I won't be able to help that and that is why my experience is relevant...

My opinion isn't wrong and neither is yours, If I walked a mile in your shoes I'd probably come to the same conclusion as you and just maybe you'd come to mine...

 

[Every Time Ref]

Her being 15 is the mitigating factor in this, technically a minor means we as a nation do expect children of her age to fully understand the consequences of her action.

I know that is tough to swallow at times especially in cases such as this.

There are limits on that though, like we're talking about her joining an organisation with the stated aim of mass murder of innocents. I agree with the principle of not holding minors to the same standards to some degree, I'm not a "string-em-up" type by any stretch - but there does have to be a line, and this is waaaaaay past it

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Surely she'd be more likely to lie in a media interview?
Coming out and saying you still love ISIS isn't gonna endear you to the immigration committee

but it could get you killed by ISIS

 

[Bada-Bing!]

My concern is if she is allowed back she becomes a lightning rod for extremist Islamic groups here, but also a target for other right wing fascist groups like Britain First.

 

[Which Tyler]

In a move that won't surprise too many people, being disagreed with now counts as a national emergency
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47247726
I wonder how the BOP will react when a democrat president uses this precedent to encpact universal healthcare, environmental reforms, or rights to their own bodies for women etc


Seems more like treason than anything else.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

He's not wrong though, there is a national emergency. It's sitting in the White House.

 

[Which Tyler]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535441553079431168
"Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress."

 

[Amiga500]

He's not wrong though, there is a national emergency. It's sitting in the White House.

Is that not a national disaster?

 

[Amiga500]

Whenever companies have to make redundancies because of Brexit, can they legally let go those who voted for Brexit first?

[I'd assume the vote was anonymous, so they could only rely on folks volunteering the information - but Brexiteers are by-and-by large a pretty angry bunch so it wouldn't be hard to tease the truth out.]