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As 'passionate' as Truthteller is in his posts, his feelings are not unique and many thousands (if not millions) of people across the UK feel the same as him and echo his concerns.

Now, people might well belittle him and hate him for daring to oppose their views of life, but the fact is that people like him exist and their voices are only going to get louder and stronger.

The days of getting away with cheeky, rude or blatantly offensive comments in order to silence dissent are long gone. Surely it is now about convincing people with opposing beliefs that they are wrong - shouting them down is not going to work, moreover it will only stiffen their resolve.

By all means, ignore this and carry on in typical glib and immature ways, but when the country shifts further to the right and the number of 'Truthtellers' outnumber the rest of society do not come crying for sympathy. In time, those who mocked and scoffed will similarly be ignored and have their thoughts and opinions dismissed as irrelevant.

When 'far right' parties are apparently seeing boosts to their numbers, the question that perhaps should be asked is 'are we doing things the right way?'

Not everybody shares the same opinion and beliefs, and when discussion and debate becomes an echo chamber then those demanding sanctuary from people like Truthteller they have already lost the battle.

First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they attack you
Then you win.
 
It's not that truthtellar concerns to some degrees aren't valid mate. It's that when countered that other things nights be more important he either says the same thing again or just completely freaks out. Hes not engaging in a conversation and calling people liers when they but I went through this and it wasn't like that. So what your accusing other people of is exactly what he's doing.

It's also a fact that men in society do far better in it than women and there still a deep gender gap. Cherry picking areas where men are behind women doesn't suddenly mean men are falling behind women it just means there areas that need addressing.

But some areas are more complex than he like to make out like in his original list where men are doing less well at education than women. True and thats been the case but when questioned why dispite this disadvantage men are doing far better in the working world in noth uneducated and educated industry's at every age level he couldnt give an answer and jusy kept repeating himself and dealt in abuse.

Another example is banging on about prostate cancer yes its a shame for the time in history more men are dying from that than women are dying from breast cancer. But that also shows breast cancer was a far bigger problem and required the massive amount of funding it did to bring it on level with prostate cancer. Now both need the funding levels they need (which will not be the same) to keep reducing mortality rates at levels which keep them on par in each on that crucial statistic. Some year more men will others women and that's how it should be until we actually 'cure cancer'.


Ultimately lots of people might think that way but when they refuse to even listen to the counter argument lets alone actually defend thier position start spouting rubbish is any wonder people see it as foaming at the mouth cretins?

If you want to see how wrong truthellar is look back at the history of this thread and see how often me and tallshort agree on something.
 
Heres the actual problem,

For the vast majority of history white men have had it better than anyone in history. Turns out when strength mattered we were better than women and lucky for us white people were better at fighting and in oppressing black people. Whilst there have been changes to make people more equal in the eyes of the law it takes centuries for the bias that existed to be undone. Case in point it is 90 years since women were given equal voting rights than men and the house of commons is still well below 50% representation.

Some people in society we will call them progressives for a lack of a better word. See the inequalities in society and want to work hard at abolishing those inequalities. Generally this starts out young they campaign eventually it becomes the norm as they push it through to voting age and the law changes. In the 19th century the progressives were those trying to abolish slavery, in the early 20th Century it was the suffragette movement, in the late 20th and early 21st its been LGBT+ rights.

Guess what that actually shows the progressives eventually always win. Problem is today's progressives will become tommorows dinosaurs.
 
GarethGriffiths said:
As 'passionate' as Truthteller is in his posts, his feelings are not unique and many thousands (if not millions) of people across the UK feel the same as him and echo his concerns.

Now, people might well belittle him and hate him for daring to oppose their views of life, but the fact is that people like him exist and their voices are only going to get louder and stronger.

The days of getting away with cheeky, rude or blatantly offensive comments in order to silence dissent are long gone. Surely it is now about convincing people with opposing beliefs that they are wrong - shouting them down is not going to work, moreover it will only stiffen their resolve.

By all means, ignore this and carry on in typical glib and immature ways, but when the country shifts further to the right and the number of 'Truthtellers' outnumber the rest of society do not come crying for sympathy. In time, those who mocked and scoffed will similarly be ignored and have their thoughts and opinions dismissed as irrelevant.

When 'far right' parties are apparently seeing boosts to their numbers, the question that perhaps should be asked is 'are we doing things the right way?'

Not everybody shares the same opinion and beliefs, and when discussion and debate becomes an echo chamber then those demanding sanctuary from people like Truthteller they have already lost the battle.

First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they attack you
Then you win.
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Yeah great but you have to have some truth behind you when you stick your head up above the parapet. Truthteller comes across like lots of Conservative on you tube/bloggers etc. You either agree with him or your part of some leftist conspiracy to murder all white men.

For the record I am a twice married white male in my 40's and I have experienced divorce and seen inequality to others. I am certainly not left wing (ask Ncurd) but I get really fed up of whiny Conservatives trying to push this conspiracy crap about how the media/Politicians/the establishment are all out to destroy everyone's way of life and make us all Muslims. He made this a man v woman issue and that all men should support other men forgetting we all have mothers/sisters/wives/daughters etc.

His comments about divorce are outdated (yes there was a problem in the Blair years regards the CSA and fathers rights) I know this because I have been through it, he has not.

You should always listen to people you disagree with and challenge your own beliefs but only if this is backed up with some sort of sense. Reading Truthtellers posts is like reading the Daily Mail, all outrage with no impartial facts.
 
I think that both sides are seemingly fed up with the inequalities in society - that should, ironically, draw us closer together but instead it only appears to tear us further apart as a society.

As a half cast 30 something, maybe I am a rarity but I care more about the overall picture instead of just my group of people - I'm very sorry to hear about your experiences with the CSA and you have my deepest sympathies.

Whilst I accept that things like racism are wrong, to me it's not a major concern in that I don't wake up everyday and wonder if I am going to be racially abused or not. Idiots are idiots, you can't teach stupids. For the record, I don't think that the UK is that bad a place and I've certainly experienced worse when I worked in France and Spain in my early 20s.

Regarding the Muslim thing, I think that any Government that even tried to force us to change would be kicked out of office tomorrow - people now have a very strong voice and will not stay silent over issues. Even if it meant electing somebody you didn't like to office, but who would fight for your freedom, so be it. I am hopeful that it never happens though!

Whilst Truthteller might be a bit much, it is worth noting that there is a lot of hateful comment and rhetoric online about men and white people. Just as white people have stood up for me, so I believe in paying them the respect back. It is one of the reasons I oppose such hateful narrative, and though those posting the comments are idiots they need to be chided and punished for their actions - try reading some of the hatred on Tindr and sites like Feabie and you'll see what I mean. I think that even the Ncurd's and Which Tyler's of the forum would baulk at them.

I certainly don't subscribe to quoting or paraphrasing either The Daily Mail or The Guardian, if I can help it. I think that both are equally biased and just regurgitate the same old default group-think. As The Jam said in 'News Of The World':

'Read between the lines and you'll find the truth'
 
charities are almost all systemically corrupt especially on the scale of oxfam. dare we forget jimmy savilles horrific crimes were all camouflaged behind the veil of charity. these big shot celebrities need to pay tax and shut the hell up
 
Agree but it's one letter.

I don't like Diane Abbott either but she's had way more.
 
You know what my response to that is?

It's not about the number, it's about the content.

I would imprison both these 48% tosspots and the tosspots hurling abuse at Diane Abbott.
 
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Answering Ncurd's previous post:

'Case in point it is 90 years since women were given equal voting rights than men and the house of commons is still well below 50% representation.'

Is this due wholly to sexism, or are other variables at play here? What if a woman is not interested in standing for office as a PPC? Indeed, does this really matter so long as the best person is elected to serve his/her constituency? As I've said before, and no doubt will say again, it is sheer tokenism to gift a person a job/role just to look good.

If every MP was a white male, but they were all brilliant MP's then what is the problem with that? Surely their skills for the job is the thing that matters and not the colour of their epidermis?

Besides, the amount of times the female leader of this country gets slagged off by 'progressives'....

Some people in society we will call them progressives for a lack of a better word. See the inequalities in society and want to work hard at abolishing those inequalities. Generally this starts out young they campaign eventually it becomes the norm as they push it through to voting age and the law changes. In the 19th century the progressives were those trying to abolish slavery, in the early 20th Century it was the suffragette movement, in the late 20th and early 21st its been LGBT+ rights.

Guess what that actually shows the progressives eventually always win. Problem is today's progressives will become tommorows dinosaurs.

As well intentioned as some of them are, they take a blanket view that because they feel something so everybody else must feel it the same way. For example, I view racism as less of a personal worry than a progressive would - to them racism and homophobia tend to be the be all and end all and nothing else matters. I admit that racism isn't very nice, but my more pressing concerns are money and ensuring that I have enough in the kitty for when I retire. Certainly things like BLM, in my view, do more harm than good as they are more about race-baiting than helping the Black community. When they refuse to admit that 65% of Black deaths in the USA are by other Black people, I wonder what scam they are pulling.

I worry more about Cancer and AIDS and in curing these horrible illnesses (progressives aren't so hot on these issues I have noticed) as well as looking after the Elderly and Disabled. These problems will be cured long before Racism and Homophobia, because everybody is against them - sadly, there will always be racists and homophobes, and often I wonder if progressiveness hasn't inadvertently made these problems worse in certain areas.

If progressives want everybody to work for the common good, they have to allow others to have opinions that may be different from theirs. It cannot be 'no it's my way and I refuse to listen to you' - it has to be compromise. Look at the Good Friday Peace Agreement - men who would have not normally gone within a mile of each other (Ian Paisley Snr., Martin McGuinness, Gerry Adams etc.) sat down around a table and compromised reaching a monumental decision and agreement which has benefited Northern Ireland.
 
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