A Political Thread

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Twitter has shits from all sides that get away with stuff like that, people get suckered into thinking that they are bigger than they are.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

I disagree,
The KKK still exist and have rallies and marches where they are protected by the police while they spout their white supremacy BS

Which I totally disagree with - there should be no racial supremacy at all. We're all human beings, deal with it.

Ncurd, those are just two of many thousands of abhorrent messages posted online. If you care to search, you will find MANY more hostile and horrible examples.

Now, you can be glib/cheeky in your responses or you can at least try and see that anti White hatred (whilst perhaps under the radar) is an issue and those bigots posting such hatred need to be schooled on their attitudes. Yes, I would say the same for Asian and Black people too - we are all a part of the world and the sooner we get on with living and embracing the world, rather than dividing ourselves, the better.

It is because this issue is ridiculed by some that you have seen a rise in the right-wing/alt-right. It's far too easy to ignore/mock than it is to take an issue head on and seriously - if we called out BS with all segments of society we'd actually be making progress as a society.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Twitter has shits from all sides that get away with stuff like that, people get suckered into thinking that they are bigger than they are.

That is very true, Tigs, and I would tell Messrs. Zuckerburg and Dorsey to get their acts together or threaten to pull the plug on them.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Which I totally disagree with - there should be no racial supremacy at all. We're all human beings, deal with it.

Ncurd, those are just two of many thousands of abhorrent messages posted online. If you care to search, you will find MANY more hostile and horrible examples.

Now, you can be glib/cheeky in your responses or you can at least try and see that anti White hatred (whilst perhaps under the radar) is an issue and those bigots posting such hatred need to be schooled on their attitudes. Yes, I would say the same for Asian and Black people too - we are all a part of the world and the sooner we get on with living and embracing the world, rather than dividing ourselves, the better.

It is because this issue is ridiculed by some that you have seen a rise in the right-wing/alt-right. It's far too easy to ignore/mock than it is to take an issue head on and seriously - if we called out BS with all segments of society we'd actually be making progress as a society.

when those tweets start coming from people in positions of power then we can start to consider it an actual problem

 

[ncurd]

when those tweets start coming from people in positions of power then we can start to consider it an actual problem

Or you know they are organising themselves into large rallies to spread their hatred.

My point with the tweets is I can find vastly more anti-black, anti-muslim, anti-gay anyone can find anything to prove a minirmpiint this is being said. Some people atill think thw Earth is flat do i think its actually a problem no because i know they are in a minority. Anti-vaxers who base their ideas on utterly false science are a huge group that need to quashed.and explained why their ideas are so immensely flawed.

See what you are doing is what a bunch of people do when confronted with a large problem is whataboutary. By just going of but this very minor problem that exist but nowhere near as large is equally important.

 

[Which Tyler]

Anti-white hatred exists and is a bad thing, but then, so does hatred of just about anything.
It is not a big thing, it does not come from people with power, either politically or socially, it is not, and never has been institutional, it is not persecution.
Anti-white hatred is not a social problem that needs to be addressed by policy.
People who feel it need to be educated, but are essentially exhibiting paranoia.

 

[Which Tyler]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...dec16379010_story.html?utm_term=.ad5eb8fa52ec

The Trump administration is prohibiting officials at the nation's top public health agency from using a list of seven words or phrases — including "fetus" and "transgender" — in any official documents being prepared for next year's budget.

Policy analysts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta were told of the list of forbidden words at a meeting Thursday with senior CDC officials who oversee the budget, according to an analyst who took part in the 90-minute briefing. The forbidden words are "vulnerable," "entitlement," "diversity," "transgender," "fetus," "evidence-based" and "science-based."

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That right, the Centre for Disease Control is no longer allowed to talk about things being science/evidence-based

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Are we 100% sure we're not living in a Saturday Night Live sketch?
Banning The CDC from saying "science based" and "evidence based" is just ludicrous

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Or you know they are organising themselves into large rallies to spread their hatred.

My point with the tweets is I can find vastly more anti-black, anti-muslim, anti-gay anyone can find anything to prove a minirmpiint this is being said. Some people atill think thw Earth is flat do i think its actually a problem no because i know they are in a minority. Anti-vaxers who base their ideas on utterly false science are a huge group that need to quashed.and explained why their ideas are so immensely flawed.

See what you are doing is what a bunch of people do when confronted with a large problem is whataboutary. By just going of but this very minor problem that exist but nowhere near as large is equally important.

What are you talking about?

Ignoring systemic racism and highlighting a couple morons on twitter is a very blatant case of whataboutism.

 

[ncurd]

What are you talking about?

Ignoring systemic racism and highlighting a couple morons on twitter is a very blatant case of whataboutism.

Umm I was trying to say it was sorry of that if that wasn't clear.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

when those tweets start coming from people in positions of power then we can start to consider it an actual problem

Whilst she is not in a position of 'power' per se, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is amongst those political commentators who have spewed out anti-White hatred.

She may not have power, but does have influence and is given raison d'etre to post these in the Independent (as well as on Twitter etc.)

We should take a cross the board view that insulting anybody based on their race, sexuality, religion etc. is wrong and it will not be tolerated in the UK.

Trump may be an a-hole, but there are just as many a-holes on the other side who should know better.

 

[Which Tyler]

Whilst she is not in a position of 'power' per se, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is amongst those political commentators who have spewed out anti-White hatred.

She may not have power, but does have influence and is given raison d'etre to post these in the Independent (as well as on Twitter etc.)

We should take a cross the board view that insulting anybody based on their race, sexuality, religion etc. is wrong and it will not be tolerated in the UK.

Trump may be an a-hole, but there are just as many a-holes on the other side who should know better.

#BothSides

There are indeed twats on both sides; but saying that there are as many on both sides is pure bollox #FakeNews

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Why are you acting like everyone accepts it as part of every day life?
Of course it's not right.
You'll find arseholes of every race, I could go find you a hundred racist white trolls on Twitter, does that mean we're accepting of them because they have social media as a platform?

 

[Which Tyler]

Tell you what @GarethGriffiths find me an anti-white hate-monger as powerful as Trump
Then find me one as powerful as Pence
Then a couple with as much influence as Bannon and Murdock
Then find an anti-white hate party with as much power as the Republican Party (and the voter supression to match)
And a few examples of anti-white genocide-enthusiasts marching with tiki torches, or in defence of a statue of a long dead black supremacist.


Then we can talk about the strength of the anti-white movement.
Until you can do all of those things; with all of them occuring simultaneously; then there is nothing even close to "as many a-holes" on both sides

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Why are you acting like everyone accepts it as part of every day life?
Of course it's not right.
You'll find arseholes of every race, I could go find you a hundred racist white trolls on Twitter, does that mean we're accepting of them because they have social media as a platform?

Sigh...

Not my point at all.

We should not accept racism or other forms of bad behaviour/intolerance at all, and just as much as we call out people who use derogatory terminology against ethnic minorities and the homosexual community.

Which Tyler, a nice attempt but I'm not going to play games - you are free to think that Trump and co. are the de facto bad guys but my view is that it takes two to tango and my proof is why was Trump elected if he was such a reprehensible person? I don't personally believe that everybody who voted for him was a racist, most had just had enough of how crazy the USA was heading with SJW/BLM violent protests and thought (strangely enough) that he would bring back some semblance of normality (yes, even i think that sounds crazy!)

I don't care how powerful (or not) the person is saying the disgusting comments, I only care that they are being said in the first place. However, if you want somebody with as much seniority as Donald Trump as an example, then I give you former POTUS Barack Obama and his speech about white racism against black people as an (and I quote) 'original sin' as if white people should put on sack cloths and ashes and beat themselves up ad infinitum over their history. A poor comment and charge, surely it would have been far better for Obama to have followed Mandela's path and said 'we must have peace and must move on'.

We may have been woefully ignorant in the past, but this is the age of enlightenment (supposedly) and unless we all come together as one for the good of the world then all is lost for the future and we will continue to tear ourselves and society apart.

My challenge for you, Which, (as you set me one) is to call out hatred towards all people without fail. Regardless of race, gender, age etc. we are all Human Beings and deserve the same and equal respect, rights and (most importantly) responsibility.

The point being is that there should be no hate at all, and you should be calling out hatred equally wherever it occurs. Yes, I do consider 'death to whites' as disgusting as 'kill all blacks' - I might be mentally retarded for doing so, but that's my point of view and I am sticking to it.

 

[Which Tyler]

Challenge accepted, and already completed up thread.
Equally, no-one is calling you digusting for thinking that anti-white racism is bad - we think you're disgusting for defending anti-minority racists; whatabouting, and confusing a 97:3 ratio* with "as many a-holes" on both sides

As for relitigating the 2016 election - again, no-one has really claimed that all republicans are racist, or voted that way because of rasism - plenty are also stupid and prefer to vote directly against their own interests; plenty vote republican because voting republican is just what they do, and no thought is actually required; plenty bought Turmp's bullshit about saving jobs, saving decency & draining the swamp, plenty because Hillary was an awful candidate and plenty because they were voting for change, and Trump wasn't establishment (despite being the ultimate establishment candidate for all things other than competency).
However, Trump and the Republican party absolutely are racism#t, and sexist too for that matter.



* 97:3 ratio pulled out of my arse; but it is massively in favour of anti-minority.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

That's fine, I personally similarly think you are disgusting for not wanting a just and fair world for everybody where nobody is victimised for being white, asian, black, straight, gay, bi, asexual, disabled or even a Bath supporter

Regarding the POTUS election Sanders, Clinton and Trump were the worst candidates in USA political history. Then again, they do say that poop floats.

Now that Trump is POTUS, the only way that any party will get rid of him is by being better than him. Yes, show up his sexism and racism by any and all means, but be sure that your party/group/affiliation etc. is equally not sexist or racist, otherwise how can you claim to be superior (which has been the point of my recent posts - we cannot say that anti Black posts online are bad and then ignore those anti White ones. It doesn't matter what ratio it is, what matters is that it is said in the first place. Otherwise it is like saying that because one or two forum members spew hatred/dribble here it's perfectly fine because to criticise it would be - and I quote - 'confusing a 97:3 ratio* with "as many a-holes" on both sides').

If we do not get fairness for all, then you, I and everybody else participating in the thread are only urinating in the wind and we will just be continuing the modern way of politics into next decade - nothing will change, feelings will matter more than facts and fake news will still be infesting the idiot box.

Nobody wants idiots in charge, but keeping on doing the same old same old is only going to keep them in charge - a sad fact of life. As you say, Which, 'A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything.'

No wonder I've given upon politics - well unless the Teletubbies Alliance stand in Gloucester one day.

 

[Which Tyler]

That's fine, I personally similarly think you are disgusting for not wanting a just and fair world for everybody where nobody is victimised for being white, asian, black, straight, gay, bi, asexual, disabled or even a Bath supporter

I know this may sound a little old-fashioned, but... have you tried reading what other people write? Sometimes it's quite enlightening to help understand what they say; given that I have repeatedly done the precise opposite of what you say here, and have repeatedly done what you challenged me to do in your last post.

Once again, and for the avoidance of doubt "anti-white hatred exists and is a bad thing" "there are indeed twats on both sides" "no-one is calling you disgusting for saying that anti-white hatred is bad"
For the record, I absolutely want a just and fair world for everyone where nobody is victimised.

Absolutely nobody is just ignoring the anti-white hatred; it's just that you, and only you, think that it is as bad, as severe and as frequent as anti-minority hatred. AKA you are excusing anti-minority hatred on the basis that some people hate their oppressors - and that is disgusting.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Well if you think it's disgusting, then fine you continue to think that. I'm not here to change your mind.

Nobody (least of all me) is saying that a white person offending a black person is fine - it most certainly is not and I would never excuse any person for having race issues or spouting race hate.

So if I hate ALL kinds of racism and intolerance across the board, I de facto excuse minority hatred in the process? Gotcha.

 

[Which Tyler]

No, your use of #BothSides and your defence or racist fuckwits is what is excusing minority hatred.

Please note, I am NOT accusing you of being racist, I'm accusing you of being an apologist for, and an enabler of racists.