A Political Thread

[ncurd]

I'm not siding with the British government over Chagos and should be noted neither did the courts until the Law Lords got involved.
I'm not siding with the Spannish government over Catalonia.
I'm not siding with Aregtinian government over the Falklands.

That's a very consistent opinion which you do not have yet you call me a hypocrite.

I believe in right of a people to live where they were born or family were in recent history and to govern themselves or be governed in a way which does oppress the minority but they see fit. Its probably the basic of human rights beyond the right to live.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Vegas shootings are appalling. Condolences to all involved and their families.

But incidents like these will keep happening until laws and attitudes change. And that won't happen in a hurry, especially with an NRA supported President.

Just read that there have been over 11,000 gun deaths in the USA this year. Total mess.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I suggest that the Argentines look at their own history before getting high and mighty about the British past.

I mean I guess Argentina just happens to be what 90% through no shady historical imperialistic reason.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Vegas shootings are appalling. Condolences to all involved and their families.

But incidents like these will keep happening until laws and attitudes change. And that won't happen in a hurry, especially with an NRA supported President.

Just read that there have been over 11,000 gun deaths in the USA this year. Total mess.

More importantly the 2nd amendment to their constitution and their right to bear arms. Just can't see it happening even after this. It's like Americans accept that this is an acceptable consequence of this constitutional right.

 

[ncurd]

More importantly the 2nd amendment to their constitution and their right to bear arms. Just can't see it happening even after this. It's like Americans accept that this is an acceptable consequence of this constitutional right.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Regulation within organised groups is in the very amendment plus the nonsense that when the amendment was written even WW1 level of weaponry accuracy and devastation was not contemplated.

 

[Which Tyler]

Source: BBC live news about 2 minutes ago - stressing Reuters as the source, and that they've not been able to verify

ETA: Looks like the original claim was untrue (currently, according to the FBI); so I'll do my little bit to starve it of oxygen

 

[The Jones Boy]

Wow, this discussion got heated quickly...
Moving on, Catalyuna? has it's own language and it puts it's own language well before standard Spanish.
Catalyuna always makes a surplus year in and year out and that surplus is always spent in other parts of Spain, not in Catalyuna.
That would **** me off for starters.
They are the wealthy province of Spain.
They are largely self sufficient, and if made a separate state would quickly become so.
They deserve to be heard, not treated as second class citizens.
This is in danger of escalating an ETA kind of outcome.
The Spanish govt needs to start a dialogue and soon if there is not going to be an ugly outcome in Spain.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Regulation within organised groups is in the very amendment plus the nonsense that when the amendment was written even WW1 level of weaponry accuracy and devastation was not contemplated.

Again, Americans and reading. WTH do you expect?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

On Catalonia.

Just because a law exists doesn't mean the executive branch has to enforce it. Sometimes as a leader you have to do what is right. More importantly, what would be the consequences of him not enforcing the law? It's good for the executive branch to have some freedoms on the legislative branch. I know nothing of spains constitution but I'd imagine there are some checks and balances?

Even if you wish to enforce the law, you don't have to do so in the way the Spanish government did.

As Cruz pointed out, Spain could crush catalonia with its geopolitical power so do they really need to do what they did. Looks like they beat the **** out of some people just to show that they could.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The reactions people have to after these tragedies make me lose so much hope in humanity as a whole.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

I don't know about earlier but Reuters are reporting US officials are saying it had nothing to do with Daesh.

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Las_Vegas_shooting_4/mobile&Theme=39&Whitelabel=True

My condolences go out to any victims and relatives that are under the voting age or have previously voted for parties or individuals who want to see greater regulation of the distribution of firearms.

For relatives and victims who voted for individuals or parties that oppose that I have literally zero sympathy. Their ignorance endangers the innocent in the US far more than North Korea or Daesh ever will. They can have no complaints when they end up in the gunsights.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

I won't defend many UK actions in the past, or Scotland's complicity in these. But here is a hypothetical for you Cruz.

If the Malvinas somehow had a pro-Argentine population and wanted (re)unification, but was blocked by domestic UK constitutional law and/or international law from seceding, do you think your countrymen would be fine with that and consider it wrong to question the validity of UK/international law?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I don't know about earlier but Reuters are reporting US officials are saying it had nothing to do with Daesh.

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Las_Vegas_shooting_4/mobile&Theme=39&Whitelabel=True

My condolences go out to any victims and relatives that are under the voting age or have previously voted for parties or individuals who want to see greater regulation of the distribution of firearms. For relatives and victims who voted for individuals or parties that oppose that I have literally zero sympathy as their ignorance endangers the innocent in the US far more than North Korea or Daesh ever will. They can have no complaints.

I mean technically they are saying no evidence supports it which doesn't mean its flase or not.


Saying that why can't people just wait till the facts are all added up.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I thought owning a fully automatic was illegal in america but turns out i was wrong.

Like wtf would you need a full auto for FFS?

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

I thought owning a fully automatic was illegal in america but turns out i was wrong.

Like wtf would you need a full auto for FFS?

Defence from Obama's stormtroopers of course and his "deep state" operatives. Don't you watch Rupert Murdoch's Fox News?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Defence from Obama's stormtroopers of course and his "deep state" operatives. Don't you watch Rupert Murdoch's Fox News?

Fox news isn't on here anymore i don't think

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I thought owning a fully automatic was illegal in america but turns out i was wrong.

Like wtf would you need a full auto for FFS?

When you want to make sure there is no meat on the deer you kill.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Regulation within organised groups is in the very amendment plus the nonsense that when the amendment was written even WW1 level of weaponry accuracy and devastation was not contemplated.

I agree it's ridiculous and the basis of the right was meant to give individuals to protect themselves against tyranny of their own government. But that mentality and culture of gun ownership was embedded into American way of life as soon as this was included in their constitution and will be virtually impossible to eradicate.

 

[The Jones Boy]

I thought owning a fully automatic was illegal in america but turns out i was wrong.

Like wtf would you need a full auto for FFS?

Full Auto.... big deal, full Auto is de rigeur in some parts.
I went to a mate's place, where he grew up just 15 minutes out of Waco, Texas. He had put the word around to his mates and neighbours they were going to have a visitor from overseas so bring out the toys...
The toys were very impressive.
I was expecting shotguns and pistols and hunting rifles.
I had no idea what was coming.
These guys had their personal weapons, all of them carried modern pistols and the Beretta 9mm seemed like a favourite, a couple of the sheilas had auto pistols.
Then there were the hunting rifles, then the semi-automatics, then the fully automatics. Then the period pieces, one guy had an AK 47, my mate Cody had a Lee Enfield from the second world war (and my personal fave, a Magnum pistol with a kick like a mule, single shot then you had to cock it to get it to fire again) but then the local sargent from the local Police Force rolled out a second world war bazooka
He had a modern rocket propelled grenade launcher and a Mortar, yes, a mortar.
I had no idea.
One of the neighbours boasted about his collection of anti tank and anti personnel mines and this was confirmed by other neighbours who had seen them.
The we all sat down for a Barby (or a cook out as they called it) I was quietly concerned about how they might behave when under the influence.
It's not like another world, it IS another world.
Nobody will be taking their guns off them anytime soon.

I have no desire to live in the USA again.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I agree Jones boy. Nobody is taking guns away from Americans anytime soon. Trump's speech was just ludicrous yesterday - blah, blah blah, evil act (concentrating on the perpetrator) Americans come together in this sad time, blah, blah, something about God etc etc. A speech designed not to offend the NRA. And completely ignoring the elephant in the room of how did a retired accountant with only a road ticket violation be able hole up with 10 guns in a Las Vegas hotel room end up killing at least 58 people and injure hundreds more? Because it is the norm and too easy to get hold of such weapons in the US.

Well Until the next mass shooting and that's not to mention the thousands of other individual homicides that happen every year in the US where guns are and involved. The price unfortunately for their love of the gun.