A Political Thread

[The Jones Boy]

Jacinta still 'looks' the best candidate, but she doesn't have much opposition.
I postal voted Greens

 

[Bada-Bing!]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41408195

I see Saudi Arabia have now entered the 20th century in respect of allowing women to drive.

Still, kept thinking of Borat's views when I heard the news:

 

[The Jones Boy]

Jeremy Corbyn gets the kind of ovation most politicians dream about... it must be party conference time

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Jeremy Corbyn gets the kind of ovation most politicians dream about... it must be party conference time

Funny for a party that was determined to tear itself to pieces for the past few years. I don't like how Labour are atm but at least it feels like there is some passion in the party. The Conservatives feel cold, dead and uncaring. May can't think beyond stupid 1 line catch phrases and has been shown to **** up everything she has touched. We have got a police crisis now and she can't hope to deflect the blame for that, that is her fault entirely.

Attempting to raise the salaries for police but nobody else is a cynical tactic used by Thatcher. Get the cops on your side and use them to suppress everyone else. Don't think it will work so well this time.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Hmmm... so it's either Labour debts of over £312 billion

"Labour promises the Earth to voters who are either stupid or too young to remember the last Labour debt crisis. Corbyn's pledges cost £312B" - Twitter

Or carry on with the current lot and a mega-debt which will not be repaid, oh and the banking crisis as well.

Next election, I am voting for Zippy from Rainbow - he's popular, down with the kids, but can be zipped up when he spouts nonsense!

 

[The Jones Boy]

7 years ago Osborne told us to tighten our belts because we needed an Austerity plan to take us out of the deficit.
Here we are after the not so rich folks have been suffering for the last 7 years while the rich folks have done very well and we are another trillion further in debt than we were when the tories got into power.
Now we also have Brexit which is having a negative affect on growth.
This Tory govt has not got a clue.

 

[ncurd]

I still want to know how the global financial crisis started by sub prime mortgages in America was Labour's fault....

I get pretty annoyed with that argument.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I still want to know how the global financial crisis started by sub prime mortgages in America was Labour's fault....

I get pretty annoyed with that argument.

Not all their fault per se, but when they take the credit for the good times, they can't then not take their share of the blame when things go belly up. Especially when Gordon Brown kept banging on about that there would be no more Boom or Bust under Labour. Well, it was a pretty big Bust and it happened under their watch.

 

[McTallshort]

Jeremy Corbyn gets the kind of ovation most politicians dream about... it must be party conference time

Yes but dont be critical of him or Momentum or you will need a body guard.

 

[ncurd]

Yes but dont be critical of him or Momentum or you will need a body guard.

You mean the group that stopped probably the most critical issue facing our government today being discussed at the countries second biggest parties conference.

'Don't mention Bexit' is Labor's new mantra.

 

[McTallshort]

You mean the group that stopped probably the most critical issue facing our government today being discussed at the countries second biggest parties conference.

'Don't mention Bexit' is Labor's new mantra.

Yeah that very sinister group who take great exception when an independent and respected Political editor rightly question their motives and methods.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Not all their fault per se, but when they take the credit for the good times, they can't then not take their share of the blame when things go belly up. Especially when Gordon Brown kept banging on about that there would be no more Boom or Bust under Labour. Well, it was a pretty big Bust and it happened under their watch.

I don't see how any government could be blamed for the economy tanking when the largest economy in the world goes ***s up. This isn't like other downturns where it has been relatively localised to Britain, this was a global problem. If anything all they could have any sort of blame for was how poorly prepared the banks were. Considering though the banks are privately run entities and that the mass deregulation occurred under Thatcher, they can't even be fully at fault for that either. By all accounts Labour were not irresponsible with the economy during the good years at all (we even had a surplus at one point I believe). The Tories love to paint the debt as the result of years of Labour mismanagement when the reality is that large chunks of the debt came from the bank bailout. Just ask any Tory if they would have preferred the alternative of letting the whole system collapse. If yes then at least they are consistent but if no then they really should shut up about something they would have done themselves anyway...

The old "inherited mess" argument has worn incredibly thin. Our problem is not massive overspending, it is a significant drop in tax revenue. If we want to fix the economy we need to look at increasing the tax revenue now because some services have faced such cuts they are actually now LESS efficient. Cost cutting doesn't always improve efficiency. The NHS and Police are perfect examples where costs are cut and yet they are expected to offer the same services. We need to focus now on things that will allow economic activity to grow rather than cost cutting and austerity does not create economic activity, investment and spending does.

 

[ncurd]

Yeah that very sinister group who take great exception when an independent and respected Political editor rightly question their motives and methods.

Kunnesberg isn't that respected by either side. Still Momentum are a vile group.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Ignoring political divides, respect of your fellow man (or, in Laura's case, woman) should come before anything else.

Going back to the question of whether the Government of the day should have done more, well even Gordon Brown admitted in a 2009 Guardian article that he should have done more to prevent the crisis:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/mar/17/gordon-brown-recession-banking-regulation

He commented in The Times in 2011 that he wished he had tackled Banking Regulations more thoroughly:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rdon-Brown-I-made-a-big-mistake-on-banks.html

Labour certainly did run deficits during the early 2000s, but would not have been the first government to have ever done so - even the Tories have done this.

We have £1.5 trillion debt nationally - the question is who the blazes do we owe this money to? Mention the name 'Rothschild' and you'll be dismissed as a Brotherhood of Icke member, but maybe we should start asking about who our financial masters really are?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

3.4 million Americans are without power and have little if any access to food and potable water. Many don't have access to critical medications.

Our director of health and safety was just fired for using hundreds of thousands of dollars to fly himself around and trump is currently golfing in New Jersey.

Over half our country doesn't known Puerto Rico is part of the United States.

 

[Which Tyler]

I have a feeling we've covered this before, but I'm pretty sure not in as much detail:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politics/facebook-anti-administration-activists/index.html

Trump administration lawyers are demanding the private account information of potentially thousands of Facebook users in three separate search warrants served on the social media giant, according to court documents obtained by CNN.
The warrants specifically target the accounts of three Facebook users who are described by their attorneys as "anti-administration activists who have spoken out at organized events, and who are generally very critical of this administration's policies."

I mean, that's totally cool right? Not even slightly the sort of thing extremist, authoritarian governments would do.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I have a feeling we've covered this before, but I'm pretty sure not in as much detail:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politics/facebook-anti-administration-activists/index.html

I mean, that's totally cool right? Not even slightly the sort of thing extremist, authoritarian governments would do.

All these people talking about "freedom" really just want freedom for themselves while everyone else has to conform to their ideals.

This is literal "thought policing."

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I kinda agree and to be honest, i couldn't help thinking of milo yiannopoulos when i read that. As despicable as his views might appear to some, he is a smart guy and i am pretty sure one of his points was to expose the hypocrisy of some who are the self proclaimed flag bearers of "freedom" yet they do everything in their power to shut others up when their opinions are challenged.

 

[The Jones Boy]

You mean the group that stopped probably the most critical issue facing our government today being discussed at the countries second biggest parties conference.

'Don't mention Bexit' is Labor's new mantra.

Labour never used to look like a govt in waiting but when I look at U-Turn May, who can't think of a policy on her own so she poo pooh's Labours policies, then steals them and puts them in circulation but only in a half hearted manner and then says, "See, we are doing it!"
Weak and unstable, a directionless care taker.
Pathetic.
Too gutless to show up and debate with Corbyn and co. and now complains in the media that there wasn't enough debate before the snap election SHE called after 5 very public occasions just prior to calling the snap election, where she was adamant that there would be no snap election, then she goes on a walking holiday...
Her husband seems to be doing very well at his hedgefund managing position where several key Conservative party donors are doing well in their returns....
Boris 'Bo-Jo' Johnson. One of the unholy triangle of Brexiteers with Gove and Farage. Where is that £350 million a week for the NHS Bo-jo???
A walking advertisement to show the world the UK is still run by a boys only ex Eton private club where public gaffs and causing offence are deemed to be not only acceptable but de rigeur. A confirmed Liar and career orientated egotist.
Ress-Mogg. Moggy is the archetypal wealthy villain ready made to walk on to any 19th century period piece drama and appear to be the genuine article.
His claim to fame is that he has 5 kids and he's never changed a nappy.
What a guy, "Send another gunboat..."
Liam Fox; a cabinet minister who would have the public eating chicken a la chlorine (they can marinate it in the local swimming pool) and he probably already has a deal in place with the scandalous chicken King Ranjit Singh Bipolar.
Mental case.
Jeremy Hunt- single handedly on a mission to end the NHS while building himself a £50 grand bathroom from where he hopes to maintain a shred of integrity by calling out Stephen Hawking in a very public spat, where the greratest brain of our time eviscerates him for cherry picking false evidence to create bogus statistics.
Michael Gove, don't turn your back on this socio-path... just ask Bo-jo. He wants to give away our fishing grounds to the EU? What is that all about?

Michael (what are you thinking???) Fallon, a defence secretary who has just announced... " that Britain is ready for world war 3 with north korea...", Oh My God !!
Who is in charge of this clown's medication????
He decides it's a good idea to have a go at Boeing about their isolationist tarriffs on Bombadier , when Boeing provide 16,000 jobs in England, just not clever at all. What about taking Boeing through the correct channels with the WTO first Michael? No. Just threaten 16000 jobs in England.
Aye carumba, the bloke hasn't got a clue.
Amber Rudd- a toxic vacuous mean-sprited robotic mouthpiece for U-Turn May who but for 350 votes would not be on the political landscape.
David 'Gurning' Davis. A negotiator? well, appointed as a negotiator armed with a briefcase filled with... banana sandwiches and not a lot else. Smile for the camera David...

Not one of them is worthy of a second thought.
A collection of self entitled, self obsessed career politicians who have not a modicum of compassion among them for the plight of the beleaguered regular British folk who have been battered by Austerity for 7 years as the rich have been given tax breaks, so we could theoretically see the deficit eradicated and here we are with another Trillion on the slate and a lot more to come as Brexit looks like giving the UK an economic slump of historical proportions.

I'm leaving the UK for good on the last day of November and I feel like I'm escaping the bath water as it swirls irrevocably toward the plug hole of serious recession.
Courtesy of, the Tories.
Austerity was too harsh and growth suffered badly over the last 7 years.
Public services have been hammered and continue to be hammered.
The disabled have been hammered.
We hear about the lowest unemployment figures in history but we don't hear about how many folk on zero hour empolyment contracts cannot afford to make ends meet because their benefits have been cut back due to their apparent employment but as they have little or no hours they are in a worse plight.
Zero hours contracts are a sham.
The Conserbvatives use them to fudge the unemployment figures and think we are stupid enough to swallow it.

Civil unrest is now mounting quickly and strike action is now the talk of the town across the spectrum as people have had a gutsfull of the Conservatives uncosted manifesto of neo-con capitalist corporotocracy.
Teresa May delivered us 10,000 less Police officers and 3000? less fire men (with Bo-jo's help).
She can't protect us from a terrorism that is aggravated by the UK's ongoing slavish embrace of the USA foreign policy in the middle east.

The only member of Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet that is rubbish enough to qualify for Teresa May's cabinet is Diane Abbott.
The rest of Corbyn's crew are well ahead of May's muppet show, but it isn't very difficult is it?

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Never mind, when Jacob of Bath is elected as the new overlord he has promised that Nigel Farage will be the deputy PM.

Depending on your politics, either a major wet dream come true or it will have you driving towards Dover!