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So the rights of EU citizens living in the UK (and Brits living in the EU) is about to be negotiated next week. Seems that EU citizens will be free to remain or move to the UK until we officially leave the EU.

There was talk of the EU offering Brits the chance to retain EU citizenship or some kind of associate citizenship. I don't think the UK Government could prevent this from happening - if they did there would be a huge outcry. Could be good news for frustrated remainers.
 
The Oggmonster said:
So the rights of EU citizens living in the UK (and Brits living in the EU) is about to be negotiated next week. Seems that EU citizens will be free to remain or move to the UK until we officially leave the EU.

There was talk of the EU offering Brits the chance to retain EU citizenship or some kind of associate citizenship. I don't think the UK Government could prevent this from happening - if they did there would be a huge outcry. Could be good news for frustrated remainers.
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They won't be free to remain or move under what I've read they'll need 5 years residency to do that currently that means they'll have needed to move between 3-5 years ago.

However the reporting has been a bit disjointed and the full proposal isn't out until Monday so we'll wait and see.
 
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They won't be free to remain or move under what I've read they'll need 5 years residency to do that currently that means they'll have needed to move between 3-5 years ago.

However the reporting has been a bit disjointed and the full proposal isn't out until Monday so we'll wait and see.
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Disjointed reporting indeed. The impression I got was that anyone who had already moved and settled wouldn't be forced to leave and would be able to apply for EU settled status after reaching five years. The uncertainty seems to be around the cut-off date which if I understand it correctly appears to be the date the UK officially exits the EU or worst case scenario the date article 50 was triggered.

The whole process is a shambles. People had no idea what they were voting for last year. It should have a two step referendum - first to leave/remain and the final vote on the deal. I am surprised the Lib Dems didn't win more support as their proposal to vote on the final deal was totally sensible although I suppose if people knew they'd have a vote on the final deal it would have been a more convincing win for the Leave campaign. I don't know which is worse - the constitution crisis arsing from reversing the original decision or the economic catastrophe and social unrest arising from leaving. I really hope the EU digs their heels in and offers a horrendous deal which might force a re-think on whether we are actually better off leaving. It's going to be a painful couple of years of negotiating and tax payers money being squandered on the whole process. I do think it's 'possible' for the UK to prosper outside the EU but I believe that would involve 10-20 years of pain and economic heartache first.
 
So the Tories have got in bed with the DUP and a whopping great big bribe. If I have worked it out correctly, after this Northern Ireland will have about 25% more spent on it per capita per year than England. Quite frankly this whole devolution thing is becoming a joke, it's just more and more and more being given to the devolved nations at the expense of England, who are having all their finances squeezed. Can't say I'm happy at all having May using taxpayers money to bribe the DUP just so she can cling to power. It's made worse by the fact they are a disgusting mob of religious fanatics. There is no way May can be impartial in N.Ireland now with the DUP having the ability to just pull their support if she doesn't back whatever they want there. Once again the selfishness of the leaders of this Tory party is going to split the country. Cameron split Scotland and the UK with the Scottish referendum, split the UK with the EU referendum, May has exacerbated that and now is going to split N.Ireland and Ireland. It's just divisive politics as a way to maintain power.
 
Well I imagine NI already gets a decent amount more per capita than England as they're economically useless and a crazy amount of the population are public sector, not to mention the huge concentration of military that was needed to keep the place from looking like Freetown. That's probably the biggest argument against reunification I've seen from moderates. We likely couldn't afford them.
But oh yeah by all means put money in the hands of a bigoted **** who can't tell the difference between £1 and £1.60 and has the emotional development of an academically struggling 9 year old. How on earth is May allowed to pay £1 million pound per M.P seat? I wouldn't **** on those DUP cretins if they were on fire. Hateful, hateful dinosaurs will be the death of the Tory party and if we're not careful peace in Ireland. May's entire political career has become a botch job. Even her own party members are calling DUP toxic. May's days are numbered.
 
Dang. DUP's wang is starting to smell a lot like the UK's ass. Madness.
 
Groundhog said:
Well I imagine NI already gets a decent amount more per capita than England as they're economically useless and a crazy amount of the population are public sector, not to mention the huge concentration of military that was needed to keep the place from looking like Freetown. That's probably the biggest argument against reunification I've seen from moderates. We likely couldn't afford them.
But oh yeah by all means put money in the hands of a bigoted **** who can't tell the difference between £1 and £1.60 and has the emotional development of an academically struggling 9 year old. How on earth is May allowed to pay £1 million pound per M.P seat? I wouldn't **** on those DUP cretins if they were on fire. Hateful, hateful dinosaurs will be the death of the Tory party and if we're not careful peace in Ireland. May's entire political career has become a botch job. Even her own party members are calling DUP toxic. May's days are numbered.
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NI already gets the most funding, this is just going to widen the gap even further. Also it's not £1 million per seat, it's £100 million. NI is bankrolled by England and they are just getting a free ride at our expense. I don't blame the DUP for trying to squeeze May (although I question just how much they care for the Union when they will leech it at the first opportunity) I more blame May for once again prostituting herself to stay in power, and again to a completely detestable person / group of people.
 
So the taxpayer is having to bail out the Tories because of a party political gamble that backfired. This will undoubtedly mean increased austerity in other parts of the UK if this £1.5bn isn't being funded with tax rises. The Govt should be pressed to explain exactly which cuts in which locations are going to fund this grubby deal.

Not only that, but the majority of the money is going on NI infrastructure. What happens if Ireland unify in the near future (could happen if Brexit turns into a mare)? I hope there's a condition that they have to re-pay the money in such an eventuality.
 
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Scotland and Wales also both take more out of the treasury than they actually put into it, so any point over that becomes slightly redundant. The DUP will struggle to get any social policy concessions fromt the tory's so there is little point in stressing over their anti-LGBT/abortion/feminist views. The election was called with one thing in mind and that was to take the power away from the far right of the conservative party led by David Davis. May (who has never actually said she thinks Brexit is a good idea even when asked directly and we can thus deduce is still a remainer) has achieved this perfectly and the money spent on the election is minute compared ot the amount of money that would have been lost on a hard Brexit. Ruth Davdidson now holds most of the cards with her scottish contingent and she is about as liberal as the conservatives are going to be at the moment. Corbyn fails to see this as a result of either arrogance, political tactics or sheer incompitance and would prefer to spend his days chanting at a music festival rather than show respect to the armed forces that have defended this country and all of our lives on Armed Forces day. In all honestly, a minority government is the best thing we could have hoped for. May will be able to achieve her soft version of Brexit and we will avoid the disloyal and pathetic Corbyn.
 
They're all scumbags jockeying for personal political gain. If Cameron had known the referendum result in advance he would have led the Leave campaign. He backed the side he thought would win and it backfired and cost him his job. Most of them will happily switch horses if it means personal political gain. None of the rich right wing anti EU toffs will be affected by the economic downturn arising from Brexit.

It looks like the Brexit negotiations will be played out in the media week by week. Even Juncker has started tweeting play by play updates. If the EU digs their heels in and offers a horrendous deal there could well be growing calls to go back to the people to sign-off on the deal in two years time which should have been part of the whole process in the first place.
 
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all the english comments about scotland and wales getting more funding than they give reminds me of why i want the south to secede
 
The Oggmonster said:
They're all scumbags jockeying for personal political gain. If Cameron had known the referendum result in advance he would have led the Leave campaign. He backed the side he thought would win and it backfired and cost him his job. Most of them will happily switch horses if it means personal political gain. None of the rich right wing anti EU toffs will be affected by the economic downturn arising from Brexit.
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If Cameron knew what the referendum result would be he wouldn't have do it.
 
Just going to point out something
National animal of England --- A lion


National animal of Scotland -- A Unicorn
National animal of Wales ----- A Dragon

and that is why Scotland and Wales need to be controlled by England
 
The Oggmonster said:
It looks like the Brexit negotiations will be played out in the media week by week. Even Juncker has started tweeting play by play updates. If the EU digs their heels in and offers a horrendous deal there could well be growing calls to go back to the people to sign-off on the deal in two years time which should have been part of the whole process in the first place.
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I'm coming to the conclusion that, with this minority government, if the Brexit negotiations end in no deal after 2 (most likely 3 years), we'll be having a 2nd referrendum - leave with nothing, or return to the statuts quo.
We've had the likes of Trusk, Junker, Macron etc saying that triggering article 50 IS reversible; and "never say never" on the UK staying put in the EU. I also just don't think a minority government will be able to take us out on a "no deal" ticket - certainly if they don't want to be obliterated 2 years later.
They probably could have gotten away with it 6 months after the referrendum or with a significant majority, when feelings were high, and the costs hadn't been felt; but 4 years after the vote? With a surge in the young vote; the political map having been redrawn; noting that we're not kicking out the foreigners; admissions of lying during the initial campaign; and what looks increasingly like "project fear" may have been overly optimistic?
 
A thing to remember no minority goverment has lasted longer than 12 months.

Honestly if this was happening anywhere else I'd **** myself laughing but the pinch is starting to be felt. And we have a completely inept negoatiating team who took 2 weeks to agree to give an extra 1 billion pounds to Ireland.


On the Scotland/Wales the amount they get is based on the Barnett formula and whilst not accurate the main reason they get more money is so they provide adequate resources to remote areas which they have a lot more of their population in than England does.
 
What I don't understand is why people opposed to Brexit voted Labour who don't support single market admission even post Brexit.

Corbyn has become such a cult of personality its worrying.
 
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