A Political Thread

[ncurd]

They're presumably the only 2 candidates - and both approximately 5 times better options than Farron was.

Swinson, Brake, Davey, Cable & Lamb are the only real choices we'll have to see who runs.

 

[McTallshort]

TBF they do keep adding letters when I was at college it changed from LGB to LGBT then it was LGBT+ now they've added another letter I can't ever remember which is what the + was supposed to stop happening....

Yeah when I was at school it was uphill Gardener and rug muncher.

 

[General Melchett]

Never said anyone was a sell out but that is what is widely alleged.

I think Cable would do a far better job as Brexit secretary than DDavies. Also think he would appeal to the public more than you might think. People are starting to see through politicians who talk BS and appreciate straight talkers who say it as it is. From what I recall Cable did very well in the TV debates before the 2010 election.

 

[ncurd]

Never said anyone was a sell out but that is what is widely alleged.

I think Cable would do a far better job as Brexit secretary than DDavies. Also think he would appeal to the public more than you might think. People are starting to see through politicians who talk BS and appreciate straight talkers who say it as it is.

Well if I were selecting
a Brexit secretary from Liberal Democrats I'd pick one the few trade negotiators we actually have in this country who's dealt with both China and Russia....Nick Clegg

I dunno Tim had loads of substance he got tripped up and derailed by simple question about his faith and policies.

You need both we have policies backed by sound reasoning when it comes to economy. We need to clearly get those policies accross.

P.S. I'd take Kier Starmer over DDavies

 

[The Jones Boy]

Well if I were selecting a Brexit secretary from Liberal Democrats I'd pick one the few trade negotiators we actually have in this country who's dealt with both China and Russia....

What part of Europe are they from again?

Lol ;-)

 

[ncurd]

What part of Europe are they from again?

Lol ;-)

He was on the EU's side on that negotiation...."surprisingly"

 

[The Jones Boy]

He's a dead turkey with the street cred of road kill.
He's tainted by the coalition with the conservatives.

 

[ncurd]

He's a dead turkey with the street cred of road kill.
He's tainted by the coalition with the conservatives.

Yes I was saying who should be not who will be.
Lots in the party would like to see him leader again (can't he's not an MP) but they're all mad.

 

[The Jones Boy]

He's a nice fella in terms of how he comes across but interminably gullible and Cameron used that against him.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

My experience of talking to people of various political views is that Cable has the most support across the whole spectrum with Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem voters all believing he is reasonably trustworthy. Whether he could be a good party leader is debatable but his habit for straight talking without his straight talk being complete ******** is quite appealing.

 

[ncurd]

My experience of talking to people of various political views is that Cable has the most support across the whole spectrum with Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem voters all believing he is reasonably trustworthy. Whether he could be a good party leader is debatable but his habit for straight talking without his straight talk being complete ******** is quite appealing.

As mean as it sounds his actual biggest issue is the fact he's 74. Most are shocked he bothered running for his seat again.

 

[The Jones Boy]

He looks young for his age and he comes across as quite a reasonable fellow.

I didn't mind Tim Farron but I didn't know he was a religious nutter.

 

[Which Tyler]

Jo Swinson has rued herself out; surey leaving the door open for Vince Cable if he wants it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40321277

Swinson has, however, gone down in my estimation with her "reverse sexism"

She wrote: "Feminist that I am, I have of course wondered what a bloke in my position would do. It's obvious.

"Most blokes in my shoes would run for leader like a shot.

"It's true that my many years of encouraging women to have the confidence to go for that exciting new role have taught me that women often don't go for things when they should."

But she added: "Just because a man would do it, doesn't make it the right thing to do."

Judging people by their gender is still sexism, whichever gender it is; and doing so really doesn't help calls for equality

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Jo Swinson has rued herself out; surey leaving the door open for Vince Cable if he wants it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40321277

Swinson has, however, gone down in my estimation with her "reverse sexism"

Judging people by their gender is still sexism, whichever gender it is; and doing so really doesn't help calls for equality

Sounds like she is making excuses for why she doesn't want to run for leadership and obviously thinks playing the feminist card is the way to go.

I mean she does know that plenty of male politicians have ruled themselves out of being a party leader before and will continue to do so.

 

[Which Tyler]

Sounds like she is making excuses for why she doesn't want to run for leadership and obviously thinks playing the feminist card is the way to go.

I mean she does know that plenty of male politicians have ruled themselves out of being a party leader before and will continue to do so.

Yup, she seems to be missing that no-one considers it an obligation; she may be seen as a future leader, and a good choice for now, but quite honestly, she's a better choice for 12 years time. She's 37 and relatively inexperienced, this will not be the last leadership challenge available to her. She appears to be a talented politician and a decent person, but there's absolutely no rush; and there is no shame at all in saying that she isn't ready for, or simply doesn't want, the level of responsibility that goes with being a party leader. No need to bring sexism into it at all.

 

[ncurd]

Jo's a complex one on this front. She's against postive discrimination but wants to actively encourage women to go for roles that are male dominated.

Despite this a lot of people "thought it was time for a female leader" despite it being against her views (and mine, nobody has been able to answer my question on why I should vote for for being woman). She was overwhelmingly the favourite within the party and no other female has a realistic chance of winning. Seriously there were petitions going round to encourage her top stand when rumours were going round she didn't want to. So she had to address it someway I think.

Personally I think its just another election is looming and she doesn't want to sacrifice herself to it before being able to build up a national profle.



Still it blows the race wide open, there was polling done on 2200 verfied lib dem members (so about 2%). Over 50% had Jo as first choice, Lamb was second (on about 15%), with Cable just behind, Ed Davey was only other real contender but he was 3-4 points behind that.

Lamb almost certainly is going to run his twittering has gone up, he's making a visit to Cheltenham this week. So he's raising his profile (he also did pretty well on QT last week).

Davey was going to support Jo but is now considering a run.

Cable nobody really knows.


Lamb and Cable's problem is they both represent a want to soften our Brexit stance. Something now after the general election I personally think its time to do. However ALOT of our new members are rabid pro-Europeans and want us to be single issue party over it (seriously they'll sacrifice every other thing we stand for to stay in and they won't listen) and I don't know how well they'll go down.

 

[The Jones Boy]

How long will it take for the victims of the Grenfell fire to be forgotten and rehoused far away from Latimer Rd?

 

[ncurd]

In news surprising no one Vince Cable is the first his hat into the lib dem leadership contest.

 

[The Jones Boy]

I drove passed Grenfell Tower today as I travelled down the A40 flyover.
Whoa !
Thats an ugly ugly edifice.
Those poor kids that were torched alive in there.

 

[Gavin]

"Jobless lone wolf" is the headline of the Times newspaper for the mosque attacker. Lolz.

Comments on it focus on why he was jobless and many idiots complaining about migration. Lolz.