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TobyBeastTeague said:
TBF if my name was Ronald Fiddler I'd want some compensation too.
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Ok, joking aside (he changed his name when he became Muslim).
How the hell did the security services let him out of the country? The £1m compensation for time in Guantanamo is just salt in the wound. An example that giving such people due process just doesn't work.
 
The_Blindside said:
Ok, joking aside (he changed his name when he became Muslim).
How the hell did the security services let him out of the country? The £1m compensation for time in Guantanamo is just salt in the wound. An example that giving such people due process just doesn't work.
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The problem with the compensation is if we'd actually gathered proper intelligence on him in the first place and charged the fella with actual offences instead of illegally detaining him we may have actually saved lives (and saved ourselves 1 million quid in the process).

The reality also is his time in Guantanamo probably drove him further to this act.

What I don't understand is why POI are allowed to leave and enter these countries. Still I imagine the security services had to give him the benefit of the doubt due to him being illegally detained previously.

The compensation has also been suggested because of things done to him by British agencies as well.


The entire thing is a complete ****show (you only have to look at Blair's statement to see there is blame and hypocrisy for everyone).
 
ncurd said:
The reality also is his time in Guantanamo probably drove him further to this act.
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I think that's a little trite, given that he was arrested in Afghan and gave (presumably verified) intel regarding Taliban tactics... he wasn't dabbling.
 
You chaps are talking in circles about symptoms.

If the 'west' stopped bombing innocent civilian populations on their way to garnering foreign energy resources and/or geographical hegemony, none of this would even be an issue.
 
So Labour keep Stoke (no surprise after UKIP's disastrous campaign) but lost which is a huge shock to them and the first time that the governing party has gained a by election seat since 1982.
 
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The Jones Boy said:
You chaps are talking in circles about symptoms.

If the 'west' stopped bombing innocent civilian populations on their way to garnering foreign energy resources and/or geographical hegemony, none of this would even be an issue.
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Yeah its not like anyone else is involved...

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ncurd said:
drove him further
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Are you saying he became more of a terrorist? Despite being picked up in Afghanistan? What was he on a gap year or something?
 
Tigs Man said:
So Labour keep Stoke (no surprise after UKIP's disastrous campaign) but lost Copeland which is a huge shock to them and the first time that the governing party has gained a by election seat since 1982.
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I hadn't even bothered to look at the results and only found out about the loss when surfing the Beeb for something else entirely.

Brings us closer to the Phoenix moment. Don't know what comes next for Labour, but there needs to be a conclusive defeat for Corbyn and a lot of deadwood cleared before something new can emerge. Doubt it emerges from the centre of the party either mind.
 
Tallshort said:
Are you saying he became more of a terrorist? Despite being picked up in Afghanistan? What was he on a gap year or something?
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Just saying it didn't help matters and probably made them worse. Not trying to excuse the guy or even suggest he wouldn't done it. Still I do believe in innocent until proven guilty and peoples right to a fair trial before being locked away. Sadly you have to defend that for scum otherwise your going down a slippery slope before true innocent people or dissenters of the government are locked up.

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TRF_Peat said:
I hadn't even bothered to look at the results and only found out about the loss when surfing the Beeb for something else entirely.

Brings us closer to the Phoenix moment. Don't know what comes next for Labour, but there needs to be a conclusive defeat for Corbyn and a lot of deadwood cleared before something new can emerge. Doubt it emerges from the centre of the party either mind.
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Just don't know how this will end Corbyn still defiant despite losing a safe seat during a parties second terms in a by-election. Its not the stuff of good leadership he was lucky Nuttal imploded in Stoke (or as he would say smeared for being held accountable for lies) otherwise he'd have lost that too he's lucky we still have the shambolic FPTP otherwise he'd have probably lost Stoke too.
 
It will like my cat died - slowly, painfully, and me bloody wishing I'd been less of an optimist and taken him to be put down sooner.

This is at least another step towards Corbyn's supporters finally being willing to take him down the metaphorical vets.
 
What do you think is going through Corbyns mind? Is he just surrounded by yes men/woman who keep telling him he is a great leader or is just in flat denial?

I know groups like Momentum are pushing things hard in the background but surely everyone must no hes never going to lead Labour back to power and could even split the party.


If the SNP changed its name to something more encompassing to include English and Welsh voters, Labour would cease to exist.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whoa: CNN, NY Times, LA Times, Politico are being blocked from White House press gaggle.</p>&mdash; igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) <a href="https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/835203202052149249">February 24, 2017</a></blockquote>
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confirmed by CNN

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/24/media/cnn-blocked-white-house-gaggle/
 
themole25 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whoa: CNN, NY Times, LA Times, Politico are being blocked from White House press gaggle.</p>— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) <a href="https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/835203202052149249">February 24, 2017</a></blockquote>
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confirmed by CNN

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/24/media/cnn-blocked-white-house-gaggle/
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Time for an armed uprising yet?
 
Tallshort said:
The liberals don't have the guns.....
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Time for a very, very short armed uprising yet?

Surely even the most hardened Republican is a little unfomrtable with barring the free press?

Please tell me they are?


Ah... bugger
 
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