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j'nuh said:
Rumours that Corbyn could be on his way in the near future.

Makes sense tbh. I wasn't expecting him to survive 2017. He's messed up Brexit to the point where both leavers and remainers are unhappy with the party, and there is expected to be a major rebellion today with several more allies resigning. Labour also faces losing two seats in by-elections at a time they should be gaining votes. Even if he recovers from all of this, the locals in May will be hard. His supporters are starting to turn on him, partly because of disillusionment at sustained bad polling, partly because his youth supporters are staunchly remain and Corbyn has alienated them.

Finding a successor will be hard. It isn't left-wing/right-wing that is holding Labour behind, it's social matters. Labour need to find ways of addressing nationalist sentiment on things like immigration, without making themselves toxic to liberals, who could desert the party for the Lib Dems. (e.g. I float between Labour and Lib Dems and will not hesitate to become a card-carrying Lib Dem if Labour talk about immigration quotas.)
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Thank god for that. Suicide for the labour party, middle england just will never vote for him. Shame Chuka Umunna has had a social life which would probably be furiously interrogated by the media. I think we need a female leader now, just as long as its not Liz Kendall. S
 
Tallshort said:
Thought you were a big Corbyn fan?
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As j'nuh says his stance of imposing the whip (when a free vote would probably see it passed anyway) for the article 50 bill is turning a lot away from him. His complete lack of holding the government to account on probably the single most important issue of the day (well next 3 years).

Tim Farron is getting loads of air time because apart from the SNP he is the only leader of a national party trying to represent 48% of voters in the referendum.

Add into the mix he is actually failing and no making the gains needed in local and by elections to challenge at the general and people are realising he has nowhere near the broad support required.

Have to say the level of support on my facebook page has significantly waned since the last leadership election.
 
ncurd said:
As j'nuh says his stance of imposing the whip (when a free vote would probably see it passed anyway) for the article 50 bill is turning a lot away from him. His complete lack of holding the government to account on probably the single most important issue of the day (well next 3 years).

Tim Farron is getting loads of air time because apart from the SNP he is the only leader of a national party trying to represent 48% of voters in the referendum.

Add into the mix he is actually failing and no making the gains needed in local and by elections to challenge at the general and people are realising he has nowhere near the broad support required.

Have to say the level of support on my facebook page has significantly waned since the last leadership election.
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All True.

Personally though I like to make clear that I'm not anti-Corbyn on the basis of thinking he's an 'awful socialist' who'd lead our country in the wrong direction, but because I know he's not electable in the eyes of Middle England, and I don't want the tories in power for the next decade or so.

It's sad, really, that people who might support him feel unable to do so purely on the basis that he's toxic to the other half. Because for his flaws, if you think the Conservatives post-cameron are a lesser risk/evil than Corbyn, there's no hope for you. And yes, that's a big chunk of England.
 
Was a fan at the very beginning, before he took office. I liked and still like quite a few of his ideas. He did make a lot of blunders, but I felt the media unfairly targeted and discredited him as a means of taking down the left. Also, even now, I think the leadership challenge last year was badly timed, and Owen Smith was a terrible candidate. I lay a lot of the blame for Labour's polling on the PLP for that leadership election, which created a rift in the party.

But the polls are not recovering and there's a time when you say enough is enough, isn't there? On a personal level, his talking up of Fidel Castro last year left a very sour taste in my mouth, and I couldn't be arsed defending him from that point, even if the media misrepresented him. He then offered very little resistance to the Tories over Brexit, and poorly managed the PLP with the three-line whip, which even the whips didn't follow. I guess I just lost confidence that he could ever pull things back, and now he's overstaying his welcome.
 
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And with this discussion Corbyn may have dealt a massive body blow during PMQ's today.

Nothing to do with Brexit but may actually cause the goverment a lot of discomfort if true.
 
Diane Abbot feigning a migraine to get out of the 1st Brexit vote really didn't help his credibility.
 
j'nuh said:
Was a fan at the very beginning, before he took office. I liked and still like quite a few of his ideas. He did make a lot of blunders, but I felt the media unfairly targeted and discredited him as a means of taking down the left. Also, even now, I think the leadership challenge last year was badly timed, and Owen Smith was a terrible candidate. I lay a lot of the blame for Labour's polling on the PLP for that leadership election, which created a rift in the party.

But the polls are not recovering and there's a time when you say enough is enough, isn't there? On a personal level, his talking up of Fidel Castro last year left a very sour taste in my mouth, and I couldn't be arsed defending him from that point, even if the media misrepresented him. He then offered very little resistance to the Tories over Brexit, and poorly managed the PLP with the three-line whip, which even the whips didn't follow. I guess I just lost confidence that he could ever pull things back, and now he's overstaying his welcome.
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Think the labour party did what many do in a crisis and go for a leadership that's completely different to what's gone before. Not better just completely different.

The PLP knew he would be a disaster and they had no love for someone who rebelled against the party as many times as he had but the party faithful wanted a radical change and you had groups like momentum who frankly didn't understand how people thought outside the M25 pushing "their" man.

Even for someone who's more right of centre than most on here, it's not good seeing a Teresa May lead Tory running rampant with no real opposition this side of Scottish border.
 
Too many Blairites in Labour and not one of them with the personality or charisma to lead labour successfully in the cult of personality.
T May is an easy target but labour are foundering and can't use their guns while they're constantly trying to sort out their ship.
 
ncurd said:
What happened? The report didn't say much shocking.
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He accused the BBC of reporting Fake news live on the morning show thing when he was being grilled over the news he might resign.

I understand maybe what he was trying to say but to flat out say the BBC was reporting Fake news when they where asking a justified question is moronic. Especially considering the amount of pressure he is under.
 
He's just sent a warning to the 52 Labour MP's who voted against the Brexit referendum result.
Fair enough.
Argue against it in it's format for the brokering of the deal but those rats should be doing the democratic will of the people.
That is, regardless of how foolish it may be.
 
Tigs Man said:
He accused the BBC of reporting Fake news live on the morning show thing when he was being grilled over the news he might resign.

I understand maybe what he was trying to say but to flat out say the BBC was reporting Fake news when they where asking a justified question is moronic. Especially considering the amount of pressure he is under.
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May accused Corbyn of alternative facts during PMQs too.
 
I know politics has always been and always will be a dirty business, but its a bit dispiriting to seeing them adopt what's become pretty much open troll language.

I'll believe in Corbyn's demise when I see it because I wouldn't want to get my hopes up and be disappointed. But I'll be happy when it happens. Not that Labour will be going to a better place anytime soon, they're held together by sellotape and most of them have rabies and they've ended up in the most beautiful of no-win situations thanks to a wonderful group effort. Only people left standing for Labour are the residually loyal, the extremely unimaginative, and those who hate the Tories too much to abandon the most likely vehicle of victory. You need a whole lot more than that.
 
If labour are ever going to be credible again they need to discover who their core support is going to be. They lost Scotland to the SNP and isolated it's tradition support in the North and middle of England due to their support for mass immigration and globalisation. They still have London and perhaps need to build on that.

Otherwise it's a return to the prewar Tory v Liberal party or even worse Tory v Scottish nationalist.
 
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