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A Political Thread pt. 2

McTallshort said:
Yeah but we all share that prejudice to a degree. It does come through a lot these days with the antivax, antiwoke, pro Putin crowd who absolutely will not expect a mainstream source and will mock you for using them where as they consider random weirdo on YouTube a reliable source simply because they agree with them.
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Accept?

Yes, hence why Trump has been able to exploit it even more with his position, branding and Musk in turn via X.
 
McTallshort said:
Grammar Musk....
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Nobody expects the mainstream source
spanish fan GIF
 
This has been a weird day, Heathrow shut down for a fire, 2 fires in mid Wales forests over night abandoned by fire services before returning this morning, car fire in Cardiff city centre, terror attempts thwarted in a few city's UK wide...
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
1) Hence the word trying. If he fails but guts the department to the point it can't run, that is in practice doing the same thing. The problem with the whole claim it's the DoE that's the problem and it should be sent back to the states is that the majority of education "stuff" is already controlled at the state level. It's part of the reason there is a gulf in educational achievement between various states. Republicans regularly attack the DoE and say the states can do it better yet Republican states dominate the bottom of the table for educational attainment whilst Democrat states dominate the top. If Republicans had the answers, why are thy not enacting them at state level? With the whole devolution to the states argument, that would make more sense if it wasn't for the fact Republicans are fully on board with riding roughshod over the states when it suits them. A recent example is Trump overriding California's water policies and emptying their reservoirs supposedly to fight fires. It did nothing to help fight the fires, nearly flooded land and now the water supply needed for irrigation is gone. Republicans applauded that direct federal intervention in a state matter. Republicans also regularly attack institutions of higher learning and denigrate higher education as "woke", including spreading outright lies about what is taught at uni.

2) Regardless of whether the DoE did a good job and was fit for purpose, there is a legal way to do things and an illegal way, Trump is doing the latter. Congress has the power to allocate funding, not the executive. The original intent of the founders was that Congress would hold the most power and the executives role was largely to enact and coordinate what Congress passed. Nixon famously tried to simply not fund projects Congress has assigned funding for and the supreme court ruled the president didn't have the authority to use the executive to simply not administer the funding appropriated by Congress. DOGE also falls foul of this, it's not their place legally to simply cut funding in places, that's Congress's job.

3) I did actually criticise Obama for that. The difference was, Obama and later Biden have dealt with some of the most obstructionist Congress in history. The US government was brought to the brink of shutdown more times under Republican control under those 2 administrations than every other Congress combined going back to ww2. The last Congress was officially the least productive Congress in the history of the USA, passing less legislation and getting less done than even the Congress of the earliest days of the republic.
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All this just seems apologist for your team...

With the greatest of respect, every president has seen accusations of overreach, and everyone says this time is different.

Obstructionism is the reason I didn't fear the first Trump term, I think we can all agree he was in check by every single power there was...

After the Biden administration, the DOJ weaponisation, the Trump mugshot etc there's a reason Trump doesn't have that type of opposition now, and I'll be honest I wish he did, but that's not what the American public wanted so...
 
dirty harry said:
All this just seems apologist for your team...

With the greatest of respect, every president has seen accusations of overreach, and everyone says this time is different.

Obstructionism is the reason I didn't fear the first Trump term, I think we can all agree he was in check by every single power there was...

After the Biden administration, the DOJ weaponisation, the Trump mugshot etc there's a reason Trump doesn't have that type of opposition now, and I'll be honest I wish he did, but that's not what the American public wanted so...
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Just because 2 sides both day it, that doesn't make both sides true. Obama did have executive overreach but he didn't try to dismantle an entire department by executive order.

Democrats weren't obstructionist though. Let's just look at this objectively, the COVID crisis covered both the Trump and Biden administrations. When Trump was trying to enact things to deal with the pandemic, he had bilateral support. The Democrats agreed to raise the debt ceiling multiple times without argument and assisted in passing legislation. When Biden took over and Republicans got control of the house, they threatened a government shutdown every 2 months and didn't lend support to any legislation. The last Republican Congress was officially THE least productive in the entire history of the USA in terms of legislation passed.

What weaponisation? What actual evidence has been presented of this? Going after criminals is not weaponisation and the evidence shows Trump is a criminal. Beyond Trump crying about it, what has he been prosecuted for that there really is no evidence for? The witch hunt of hunter Biden is a far greater example of weaponisation.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
Just because 2 sides both day it, that doesn't make both sides true. Obama did have executive overreach but he didn't try to dismantle an entire department by executive order.

Democrats weren't obstructionist though. Let's just look at this objectively, the COVID crisis covered both the Trump and Biden administrations. When Trump was trying to enact things to deal with the pandemic, he had bilateral support. The Democrats agreed to raise the debt ceiling multiple times without argument and assisted in passing legislation. When Biden took over and Republicans got control of the house, they threatened a government shutdown every 2 months and didn't lend support to any legislation. The last Republican Congress was officially THE least productive in the entire history of the USA in terms of legislation passed.

What weaponisation? What actual evidence has been presented of this? Going after criminals is not weaponisation and the evidence shows Trump is a criminal. Beyond Trump crying about it, what has he been prosecuted for that there really is no evidence for? The witch hunt of hunter Biden is a far greater example of weaponisation.
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All I hear is blah blah blah Trump bad...

When you talk about the pandemic, Dems labelled Trump an anti China racist for restricting travel from China. Every Wuhan claimant was called racist, let's be honest here...

Operation warp speed was condemned by a lot of Dems trying to politic! The claim was that it was in detriment to US and global citizens lol.

Let's be honest, prominent Democrats claimed before the elections they would never take a vaccine developed by the Trump administration, including Biden, Harris, Pelosi and Co... there was even an investigation that concluded that Democrats delayed vaccines! So how exactly were Democrats not obstructionist?
 
dirty harry said:
Obstructionism is the reason I didn't fear the first Trump term, I think we can all agree he was in check by every single power there was...

After the Biden administration, the DOJ weaponisation, the Trump mugshot etc there's a reason Trump doesn't have that type of opposition now, and I'll be honest I wish he did, but that's not what the American public wanted so...
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Thanks to the stupid supreme court decision to give him immunity, he has been granted the right to break every law on the books to further his dangerous policies with no fear of prosecution whatsoever.

He can ignore Congress, the senate and the courts.

Give over on the weaponisation of the doj. He was responsible for crimes he needed to be held accountable for, that's why he was investigated and prosecuted.

I'd he hadn't been protected by Cannon he'd probably be seeing mail bags instead trying to destroy the worlds economy and hand Ukraine to Putin.
 
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AlRums said:
Thank tip the stupid supreme court decision to give him immunity, he has been granted the right to break every law on the books to further his dangerous policies with no fear of prosecution whatsoever.

He can ignore Congress, the senate and the courts.

Got be over on the weaponisation of the dojo. He was responsible for crimes he needed to be held accountable for, that's why he was investigated and prosecuted.
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Waiting for your response on the link you provided...
 

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