A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

Trump issues firm directive to Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts

The Trump administration is currently contending with several significant legal injunctions that challenge its policy initiatives.

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Hmmm

Have you got a better link, those pop ups are crazy?

 

[dirty harry]

Have you got a better link, those pop ups are crazy?

Don't bother, their first few quotes was out of context agenda driven. I don't need to read the rest lol.

 

[dirty harry]

Why is Starmer obsessed with the 'coalition of the willing?

Does he not understand the terms iconography? (Wrong word but it's early).

Do we want to charge In to Ukraine to rescue it, murder thousands upon thousands of civilians, spend 20 years there securing 'peace' and still not fin WM... Putins grip?

Is this a plea to Trump to help out since we committed war crimes on Bushes behalf 20 years ago?!

 

[TommiG88]

Why is Starmer obsessed with the 'coalition of the willing?

Does he not understand the terms iconography? (Wrong word but it's early).

Do we want to charge In to Ukraine to rescue it, murder thousands upon thousands of civilians, spend 20 years there securing 'peace' and still not fin WM... Putins grip?

Is this a plea to Trump to help out since we committed war crimes on Bushes behalf 20 years ago?!

I think the ideology behind it is that the powers at be don't trust Putin to stop after taking Ukraine, and will pick off the next nation he deems should be re-integrated into the old ways of the soviet.

I think the last time Europe sat on their hands and assumed the leader would stop was Hitler. They trusted his rhetoric and were proved wrong. I think there's a sense of not letting history repeat itself.

All could be bullshit, because I have no idea. But I'm of the mind that if I was in Ukraine's situation, I would be fighting for my life and hoping our allies / friends would help.

 

[dirty harry]

I think the ideology behind it is that the powers at be don't trust Putin to stop after taking Ukraine, and will pick off the next nation he deems should be re-integrated into the old ways of the soviet.

I think the last time Europe sat on their hands and assumed the leader would stop was Hitler. They trusted his rhetoric and were proved wrong. I think there's a sense of not letting history repeat itself.

All could be bullshit, because I have no idea. But I'm of the mind that if I was in Ukraine's situation, I would be fighting for my life and hoping our allies / friends would help.

I meanbi get the point of it, but the term references Iraq, the optics are just so bada

 

[TommiG88]

I meanbi get the point of it, but the term references Iraq, the optics are just so bada

Oh Iraq was a joke. Should never have stepped foot there.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

So this isn't my specialty not by a long shot, but 3 points sprint to mind:

1. From what I know he will need congress to fully shut down the DOE, and enough votes from the Senate that Republicans don't have. I'm sure Attorney General will lodge suits too. So there's a decent check for this.
Of course American education is poor, costly and not effective, and this is just a devolution of power away from Washington no?

2. What was it called a 'boondongle'? On inception. Paid homework checkers, that republicans wanted rid of for decades.
If the DoE is bloated ineffective and the same funding for the vulnerable can continue at state level, what is the argument for it?

3. You complain that Republicans will not keep the same energy on this, than when they complained about Obama, and your right, but executive over reach and power increase was all well and good when it was Obama. I thought Republicans days were up when Obama got in, but even so, the short sightedness of this was stunning. Didn't Obama actually accuse Bush of the same thing before his run? It's hardly a new concept, don't clutch your pearls so tightly. The point is, all presidents push the envelope, they all get accused of going too far, one side sets a new precedent, so the next guy uses that new standard. Did you speak out at Obama for lambasting bush, declaring he'll roll back the powers, and then leaning further in when the ball was in his hands?

1) Hence the word trying. If he fails but guts the department to the point it can't run, that is in practice doing the same thing. The problem with the whole claim it's the DoE that's the problem and it should be sent back to the states is that the majority of education "stuff" is already controlled at the state level. It's part of the reason there is a gulf in educational achievement between various states. Republicans regularly attack the DoE and say the states can do it better yet Republican states dominate the bottom of the table for educational attainment whilst Democrat states dominate the top. If Republicans had the answers, why are thy not enacting them at state level? With the whole devolution to the states argument, that would make more sense if it wasn't for the fact Republicans are fully on board with riding roughshod over the states when it suits them. A recent example is Trump overriding California's water policies and emptying their reservoirs supposedly to fight fires. It did nothing to help fight the fires, nearly flooded land and now the water supply needed for irrigation is gone. Republicans applauded that direct federal intervention in a state matter. Republicans also regularly attack institutions of higher learning and denigrate higher education as "woke", including spreading outright lies about what is taught at uni.

2) Regardless of whether the DoE did a good job and was fit for purpose, there is a legal way to do things and an illegal way, Trump is doing the latter. Congress has the power to allocate funding, not the executive. The original intent of the founders was that Congress would hold the most power and the executives role was largely to enact and coordinate what Congress passed. Nixon famously tried to simply not fund projects Congress has assigned funding for and the supreme court ruled the president didn't have the authority to use the executive to simply not administer the funding appropriated by Congress. DOGE also falls foul of this, it's not their place legally to simply cut funding in places, that's Congress's job.

3) I did actually criticise Obama for that. The difference was, Obama and later Biden have dealt with some of the most obstructionist Congress in history. The US government was brought to the brink of shutdown more times under Republican control under those 2 administrations than every other Congress combined going back to ww2. The last Congress was officially the least productive Congress in the history of the USA, passing less legislation and getting less done than even the Congress of the earliest days of the republic.

 

[Saintjay]

I meanbi get the point of it, but the term references Iraq, the optics are just so bada

The terms been used a few times since the 70's by Clinton etc according to the google. Optics might be bad but I don't think anyone is overly bothered by it's use tbh

 

[McTallshort]

Oh Iraq was a joke. Should never have stepped foot there.

True but it's a completely different situation and for troops to be deployed there has to be a peace agreement and we are possibly years away from that. Putin hasn't even agreed to a cease fire and I doubt he will everything is going his way.

 

[TommiG88]

True but it's a completely different situation and for troops to be deployed there has to be a peace agreement and we are possibly years away from that. Putin hasn't even agreed to a cease fire and I doubt he will everything is going his way.

I agree, I should have made that clearer in my post above that particular one.

 

[Flankers' paradise]

One thing I did notice was that some of the 'savings' will be re directed towards private schools which will definitely not rebalance things

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Quite amazed that the whole of Heathrow can be brought to a grinding halt by a substation fire. You'd think these places would have backup and redundancy to last a significant amount of time in the event of an outage. Apparently nearby airports also had minimal capacity to take in diverted flights.

Maybe this is just the norm but it feels like we are running the whole system right on the brink.

 

[General Melchett]

Quite amazed that the whole of Heathrow can be brought to a grinding halt by a substation fire. You'd think these places would have backup and redundancy to last a significant amount of time in the event of an outage. Apparently nearby airports also had minimal capacity to take in diverted flights.

Maybe this is just the norm but it feels like we are running the whole system right on the brink.

The backup generator was also mysteriously burnt which was reported as being highly irregular.

I'll wait until the facts are established but it wouldn't surprise me if this was a deliberate and sinister sabotage. It also happened the day after Starmer is filmed boarding a nuclear submarine which was clearly for Russia's benefit.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The backup generator was also mysteriously burnt which was reported as being highly irregular.

I'll wait until the facts are established but it wouldn't surprise me if this was a deliberate and sinister sabotage. It also happened the day after Starmer is filmed boarding a nuclear submarine which was clearly for Russia's benefit.

Surely the whole point of backup systems is that they are in a physically different location to the primary systems to prevent both being taken out in a single event. If the fire also took out the backup, that either means really really poor design or sabotage imo.

 

[Welsh Exile]

The backup generator was also mysteriously burnt which was reported as being highly irregular.

I'll wait until the facts are established but it wouldn't surprise me if this was a deliberate and sinister sabotage. It also happened the day after Starmer is filmed boarding a nuclear submarine which was clearly for Russia's benefit.

My guess is Aliens.

 

[General Melchett]

My guess is Aliens.

Illegal ones most likely.

 

[General Melchett]

Surely the whole point of backup systems is that they are in a physically different location to the primary systems to prevent both being taken out in a single event. If the fire also took out the backup, that either means really really poor design or sabotage imo.

I just caught the end of the report on the news before rushing out. Not sure where the backup is located but I heard the reporter say it was very unusual for it also to be destroyed.

 

[McTallshort]

Illegal ones most likely.

No comrade, no aliens here....

 

[Saintjay]

The Met's finest are now wanting to speak with this chicken in connection with the incident.

 

[The Seeker]

Another Slapdown for Trump as Education Dept. Is Saved

President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education. Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.” He glossed over White House Press Secretary...

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