A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

He's a snake oil salesman with no real conviction in his beliefs because he has none. As evidenced by his shameful U turn as he only cares about power. Just my opinion obviously.

I'd probably agree with that, he looks like he is building a 40 year career and Pelosi esque wealth in the near future!

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Before I have a look at thos, and I will research the clip in full, I hate Brian Tyler Cohen, that is one dangerous dude!!! The amount of times I've seen him manipulate clips for his narrative, I'm sure I read he also was one of the paid influencers who went to DC to promote dems as well? Anyone who nails their flag to a team that hard can't be trusted, regardless of which side they're on. I'd put him on par with someone like Candice Owens

By all means feel free. Yes BTC is supportive of the Dems, that's no secret. Most podcasters in politics nail their flag to a team, that doesn't automatically make what they say invalid. That's why I said ignore the commentary and watch the clip, or if you can find the full one then watch that instead. If you think the clip has been manipulated, feel free to point out exactly how.

I will hold my hands up and admit I got this one wrong if you can show that clip is manipulated to give a different impression to reality.

 

[dirty harry]

read every one, hence why i dont get to post much as there are pages and pages every morning, thats why i said it, i dont believe thats how you mean to come across, but it is to me anyway, hence the take a step and read the room, if people that have been criticising him have been disagreeing with you...then you might have come across like your defending him

i kind of feel a critical thinker would know how to step back, re-evaluate, course correct

How do I course correct when making several disparaging comments on Trump, claiming nu.erous times I don't support Trump or Republicans and have lambasted politicians across the board...

Except 1. Since you read every Comment, who's my guy?

 

[Kiwiwomble]

How do I course correct when making several disparaging comments on Trump, claiming nu.erous times I don't support Trump or Republicans and have lambasted politicians across the board...

Except 1. Since you read every Comment, who's my guy?

you dont have to take the note, your comments just come across as super condescending when you're so rigid in your own beliefs and so defensive when someone suggests your intent and how youre coming across might not be aligned

i dont get the question? who would you have voted for or whos your partner? i read them, i havent taken details notes, its not a quiz

 

[Saintjay]

And?

You brought up Rogan and his previous conduct siding with Bernie etc. Just saying it doesn't mean much really.

I don't think you are Maga, I just don't agree with some of your views. Like understanding how Biden is at fault for his sons drugs use etc.

 

[dirty harry]

Unfortunately I can't find just the clip by itself without commentary too but that one at least puts the clip at the start of the video so you can just ignore the commentary after. To be fair it's more the other commentator than Rogan himself that does the complete double standard but Rogan still claimed that making that sort of comment would mean in any other job you are done, but didn't follow that when it was revealed Trump said it.

For the record, I'm not using this to attack Rogan more broadly, just using it as an example of people who switched their view the second they thought Biden did something to being told it was actually Trump. I know Rogan is a Bernie supporter and not some far right activist. Another example is the Trump supporter who thought it was outrageous that Biden would dodge the draft by pretending to have bone spurs and went on a big rant. When she was told it was Trump, not Biden, she immediately switched to making excuses for it.

Ok so I watched the clip, not Brian's commentary after wards because that will be insane lol

Before looking further into it, Rogan mocks Biden for saying there weren't enough airports, Jamie fact checks him live, and then Rogan watches Trump say the quote and claims 'ohhhh he ****** up'

I get it, he's mocking Biden for his low cognitive ability, and then claiming Trump made a mistake. It's a bit disingenuous, and he's assuming Bidens errors are because of his mental state, and Trump just makes mistakes...

This is what end 2023 early 2024, we've all seen Biden fall over, mumble and put America in 1 very important word 'ydjdghsjshsosksnsvsksnsbsus' if that's the greatest evidence Rogan is a right wing puppet I'm not sure it sways me too much, I can criticise Rogan for it, he didn't hold the same energy when he found out it was Trump, but I'm sure we all attributes senility to some of Bidens errors, as we all have attributed malice to some of Trumps.

The man has thousands of hours of conversation available to watch, he's of course going to be rightly criticised for some things he says, but fair play for for them dealing with it live, and acknowledging the error in the first place

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

The issue is not him switching, the issue is him not being utilised and going after him...

Harris could have easily won him over, CNN tried to ruin him, and other Dems have condemned him as right wing.

The way the world consumes media has changed, and Dems are late to the party, Trump 1 highlighted this badly, and they didn't seem to learn that lesson come 2024

I don't think there is an issue with switching sides.

The States and pockets of Europe (I don't have enough knowledge outside of that region) are just in a natural shift back to the right. It's a pretty natural phenomenon. Progression goes too far, people get uncomfortable with it and rebel against it by seemingly taking backward steps. It's just human nature to accept change at different rates. It'll swing back after Trump in all liklihood.

MAGA's success isn't very different to Eisenhower following Truman and FDR or Bush following Clinton. 2 steps forward to take one step back. It just seems a lot starker as society has progressed over the decades and in the age of information and social media people are far more sensitive to issues and feel far more entitlement to be heard.

Mark Manson did a great podcast with Tim Urban where they discuss it. They both agreed that anyone blindly aligning themselves to a party isn't worth the time. Neither were singing Trumps praises but both seemed to have spent time considering his actions and why he was connecting with people. I don't think Manson is a Trump voter. Less sure about Urban although even if he was I don't think he'd call himself a supporter. But they didn't attack his character and it was the first time I'd really witnessed that from anyone not in support of him.

It changed my approach to analysing it all anyway. Trump is such an evocative character who, before any immoral acts are considered, generally just behaves in a petulant way that isn't endearing and it's hard to look past that, especially from the outside. I dug deeper into MAGA to unsurprisingly come to the same conclusion that I detest the man but in doing so it made me realise that the democrats are nearly equally unvotable currently. Trump won by playing to the emotions of the electorate.

 

[dirty harry]

You brought up Rogan and his previous conduct siding with Bernie etc. Just saying it doesn't mean much really.

I don't think you are Maga, I just don't agree with some of your views. Like understanding how Biden is at fault for his sons drugs use etc.

He's partly at fault for not raising him right, there is a phenomenon of politicians widely neglecting their kids who go off the rails. Biden is responsible for threatening Facebook to cover up his sons story, as acknowledged and apologised for by Zuckerberg. He's also at fault for covering up the drugs found on site, and for the pardon.

If only Hunters issues stopped at drug use!

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Ok so I watched the clip, not Brian's commentary after wards because that will be insane lol

Before looking further into it, Rogan mocks Biden for saying there weren't enough airports, Jamie fact checks him live, and then Rogan watches Trump say the quote and claims 'ohhhh he ****** up'

I get it, he's mocking Biden for his low cognitive ability, and then claiming Trump made a mistake. It's a bit disingenuous, and he's assuming Bidens errors are because of his mental state, and Trump just makes mistakes...

This is what end 2023 early 2024, we've all seen Biden fall over, mumble and put America in 1 very important word 'ydjdghsjshsosksnsvsksnsbsus' if that's the greatest evidence Rogan is a right wing puppet I'm not sure it sways me too much, I can criticise Rogan for it, he didn't hold the same energy when he found out it was Trump, but I'm sure we all attributes senility to some of Bidens errors, as we all have attributed malice to some of Trumps.

The man has thousands of hours of conversation available to watch, he's of course going to be rightly criticised for some things he says, but fair play for for them dealing with it live, and acknowledging the error in the first place

I never said Rogan is a right wing puppet, although I am aware that comment may be aimed more at others in this thread than me. However I'd point out very little if anything has been made of the fact that Trump has made a lot of these blunders, including not even knowing what state he was in, forgetting WW2 had happened, thinking Viktor Orban is president of Turkey, thinking Nikki Haley was in charge of security on Jan 6th, He couldn't remember which years he was married to his wife, ironically saying he doesn't remember saying he has a fantastic memory etc

So yes Biden clearly has mental decline, but Trump does too. However only 1 of them is hauled up for it whilst the other gets a pass. A gaffe for Biden is proof of mental decline, a gaffe for Trump is swept away. I'm not so much making a comment about Rogan but making a point about the very different standards Trump is held to compared to literally every other president. Take what Trump has said and done and say it was someone else who said it to a bunch of Trump supporters and you could bet they would oppose it, which would show that they would fundamentally understand that what is being said is stupid or wrong. Say it's Trump saying it though and then excuses come out.

Now we are in the 2nd Trump term and literal law breaking and completely unacceptable comments from a president are being brushed aside because of this double standard. This is what I'm hammering away at, this is the danger that is posed. Trump is NOT being held to any standard really. Coupled with the supreme court giving him practical immunity to do anything and you have a very stupid, narcissistic, malevolent megalomaniac in charge of one of the most powerful countries on the planet with absolutely no checks on all his worst impulses. In fact it's even worse, he clearly has enablers who have laid the groundwork for what needed to be done when he took office. Trump isn't smart enough or have enough knowledge to have known how to enact all he has done in these first days, this is a playbook that has been given to him from others who are wholly malignant and not as stupid as him. That is dangerous and that is why Trump (and the Republicans in general) simply must be held to account.

 

[dirty harry]

I don't think there is an issue with switching sides.

The States and pockets of Europe (I don't have enough knowledge outside of that region) are just in a natural shift back to the right. It's a pretty natural phenomenon. Progression goes too far, people get uncomfortable with it and rebel against it by seemingly taking backward steps. It's just human nature to accept change at different rates. It'll swing back after Trump in all liklihood.

MAGA's success isn't very different to Eisenhower following Truman and FDR or Bush following Clinton. 2 steps forward to take one step back. It just seems a lot starker as society has progressed over the decades and in the age of information and social media people are far more sensitive to issues and feel far more entitlement to be heard.

Mark Manson did a great podcast with Tim Urban where they discuss it. They both agreed that anyone blindly aligning themselves to a party isn't worth the time. Neither were singing Trumps praises but both seemed to have spent time considering his actions and why he was connecting with people. I don't think Manson is a Trump voter. Less sure about Urban although even if he was I don't think he'd call himself a supporter. But they didn't attack his character and it was the first time I'd really witnessed that from anyone not in support of him.

It changed my approach to analysing it all anyway. Trump is such an evocative character who, before any immoral acts are considered, generally just behaves in a petulant way that isn't endearing and it's hard to look past that, especially from the outside. I dug deeper into MAGA to unsurprisingly come to the same conclusion that I detest the man but in doing so it made me realise that the democrats are nearly equally unvotable currently. Trump won by playing to the emotions of the electorate.

I agree with pretty much all of this, I havnt heard the Manson and Urban podcast but will defo go check it out...

I'd add, Obama to Trump was a massive swing, going from a classy statesman, I honestly thought the Republican party was dead when Obama got in, but he was such a let down and I actually think he regressed race relations to politic more. I've said it before and it rings true now, I've spent some time in the USA and I can find 100 Trumps before I find an Obama type character. I think Americans hate him because he is an outsiders stereotype of Americans, mcdonalds eating, coke swigging overweight loud mouth who is rich, entitled and unashamedly American. Let's be a little honest with ourselves, we've all met some of those in eruope at least

 

[Saintjay]

He's partly at fault for not raising him right, there is a phenomenon of politicians widely neglecting their kids who go off the rails. Biden is responsible for threatening Facebook to cover up his sons story, as acknowledged and apologised for by Zuckerberg. He's also at fault for covering up the drugs found on site, and for the pardon.

If only Hunters issues stopped at drug use!

All fairness I don't think you can always blame the parents. It's like saying there's a phenomenon of rock stars going off the rails and it's the parents faults. Or Trumps parent's are partly responsible for his conduct towards women.

It's normally a combination of factors as similar to what we've discussed before and something you're probably well aware of. With rich kids and people, I think boredom, too much money and entitlement are probably more of a factor. Different reasons as to why rich people take heroine etc vs poor for example.

 

[Welsh Exile]

All fairness I don't think you can always blame the parents. It's like saying there's a phenomenon of rock stars going off the rails and it's the parents faults. Or Trumps parent's are partly responsible for his conduct towards women.

It's normally a combination of factors as similar to what we've discussed before and something you're probably well aware of. With rich kids and people, I think boredom, too much money and entitlement are probably more of a factor. Different reasons as to why rich people take heroine etc vs poor for example.

Trump wants to **** his daughter FFS. How's that for parenting.

 

[dirty harry]

I never said Rogan is a right wing puppet, although I am aware that comment may be aimed more at others in this thread than me. However I'd point out very little if anything has been made of the fact that Trump has made a lot of these blunders, including not even knowing what state he was in, forgetting WW2 had happened, thinking Viktor Orban is president of Turkey, thinking Nikki Haley was in charge of security on Jan 6th, He couldn't remember which years he was married to his wife, ironically saying he doesn't remember saying he has a fantastic memory etc

So yes Biden clearly has mental decline, but Trump does too. However only 1 of them is hauled up for it whilst the other gets a pass. A gaffe for Biden is proof of mental decline, a gaffe for Trump is swept away. I'm not so much making a comment about Rogan but making a point about the very different standards Trump is held to compared to literally every other president. Take what Trump has said and done and say it was someone else who said it to a bunch of Trump supporters and you could bet they would oppose it, which would show that they would fundamentally understand that what is being said is stupid or wrong. Say it's Trump saying it though and then excuses come out.

Now we are in the 2nd Trump term and literal law breaking and completely unacceptable comments from a president are being brushed aside because of this double standard. This is what I'm hammering away at, this is the danger that is posed. Trump is NOT being held to any standard really. Coupled with the supreme court giving him practical immunity to do anything and you have a very stupid, narcissistic, malevolent megalomaniac in charge of one of the most powerful countries on the planet with absolutely no checks on all his worst attributes. In fact it's even worse, he clearly has enablers who have laid the groundwork for what needed to be done when he took office. Trump isn't smart enough or have enough knowledge to have known how to enact all he has done in these first days, this is a playbook that has been given to him from others who are wholly malignant and not as stupid as him. That is dangerous and that is why Trump (and the Republicans in general) simply must be held to account.

Ok so I agree with the sentiment of this, the language is a bit more extreme than I'd use, I don't trust him, I 100% agree that he's too old, and that he cleverly used the Biden decrepedness to his advantage despite holding some similar traits (of which Harris should have highlighted more, had she been more capable during interviews etc).

Also I get that was an example of Rogan switching energy, others claimed more of Rogan. And I 100% don't think the clip is manipulated, and that it's real and in context, I can criticise Rogan for it, but I also think it's good he has created an environment where his producer checks him on air (you'd never get that from fox or CNN). It is a low level issue though let's be honest, if I dare make the comparison to Brian, who's only makes anti Trump videos and regularly manipulates them, uses snippets out of context etc.

I was more tolerant of Trump during term 1, he was in check, everything and everyone was against him, but if we are being honest there has been plenty that was delusional, like Russian hookers peeing parties lol.

This has resulted in a scenario where he now has near carte blanche, I would always advocate for limited government and when Obama increased presidential power I think it was short sighted, and well now here we are watching a USA reality show (ironic that his latest dram included a Ukrainian actor turned president)...

 

[dirty harry]

All fairness I don't think you can always blame the parents. It's like saying there's a phenomenon of rock stars going off the rails and it's the parents faults. Or Trumps parent's are partly responsible for his conduct towards women.

It's normally a combination of factors as similar to what we've discussed before and something you're probably well aware of. With rich kids and people, I think boredom, too much money and entitlement are probably more of a factor. Different reasons as to why rich people take heroine etc vs poor for example.

I always blame parents to be fair, I've seen the generational cycle in effect for too long for there not to be direct correlation! I've also had to deal with a pretty major politicians son for too long, so maybe I'm a bit biased

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Ok so I agree with the sentiment of this, the language is a bit more extreme than I'd use, I don't trust him, I 100% agree that he's too old, and that he cleverly used the Biden decrepedness to his advantage despite holding some similar traits (of which Harris should have highlighted more, had she been more capable during interviews etc).

Also I get that was an example of Rogan switching energy, others claimed more of Rogan. And I 100% don't think the clip is manipulated, and that it's real and in context, I can criticise Rogan for it, but I also think it's good he has created an environment where his producer checks him on air (you'd never get that from fox or CNN). It is a low level issue though let's be honest, if I dare make the comparison to Brian, who's only makes anti Trump videos and regularly manipulates them, uses snippets out of context etc.

I was more tolerant of Trump during term 1, he was in check, everything and everyone was against him, but if we are being honest there has been plenty that was delusional, like Russian hookers peeing parties lol.

This has resulted in a scenario where he now has near carte blanche, I would always advocate for limited government and when Obama increased presidential power I think it was short sighted, and well now here we are watching a USA reality show (ironic that his latest dram included a Ukrainian actor turned president)...

The thing is, I don't think Trump was particularly clever in his attacks on Biden. He was crude and hypocritical. It only appears clever because, for reasons I still can't comprehend, many seem to hold him to a wholly different standard to how they hold others. We often hear about Trump supposedly playing 4D chess but it has the same energy as religious people who explain away disasters or contradictions as "god works in mysterious ways", ie I'm not going to attempt to justify this because I can't, so I'll just assert there is some higher thinking neither of us can comprehend and leave it at that. Trump has never shown at any stage that he is actually intelligent at all. Everyone who has worked with him who speaks freely talks about how he cannot grasp basic concepts, has the attention span of a child and is incapable of following a train of thought to it's conclusion. Trump acts on impulse and leaves it for others to try to find a way to portray it as genius later. Just look at the trade wars, Republicans are trying to claim his flip flopping nearly daily on tariffs is some genius negotiating tactic when it's clear there is no tactic, he just blurts out whatever pops into his head at any moment in time. The emperor has no clothes but nobody on the Republican side has the spine to say it yet.

Trump is just the figurehead of a deeper problem. There is a concerted attempt to establish an autocracy in the USA and the worst part it's in broad daylight, there's nothing subtle about it. Project 2025 is real, it's a published document and it is being enacted right now, even as Republicans dismissed it as fearmongering. It's actually happening and far faster than even those warning about it expected.

All levels of government are being filled with loyalists to Trump, positions that both Republicans and Democrats for a long time respected as being non-partisan and separate to political squabbling. These people are not being installed to do any job except prevent the government from holding Trump to account as he rams through the Project 2025 agenda. They went about earmarking thousands of people who were Trump loyalists to install from day 1 into these positions. The plan was in place to gut these organisations and fill them with loyalists before the election. I don't for one moment think Trump is the mastermind of what's happening. The day to day flip flopping is him but the broader strategic thinking isn't.

At the supreme court, Alito and Thomas have both been very openly caught in corruption scandals that would see judges at any other level of government impeached and disbarred. There is no such mechanism beyond impeachment in the house for the supreme court, and Republicans are flat out refusing to hold them to account. The justices Trump placed there are all extremely young and inexperienced, poor choices as actual top level judges but great choices to ensure Republican control of the supreme court for decades with people who owe everything to Trump.

The House and Senate have forfeit all their oversight powers for the president and supreme court, enabling corruption in both the executive and the presidency. Whilst Democrats can get control of both of these, they won't ever have the numbers to impeach and convict.

The FBI is headed up by a loyalist with a public hit list, the DoJ has a head who says their primary mission is to pursue Trump's agenda, not enforce the law. All independent government watchdogs have been removed from position. The government ethics advisors have been shut down. The government employees in charge of pursuing fraud have been gutted, people involved in investigating Trump's crimes are now being harassed and investigated with no evidence or charges or even suggestions of what crimes they are supposed to have committed. Political loyalist criminals are being pardoned en masse, top military men are being pushed out of position and replaced with people whose first priority is loyalty to Trump.

None of that is hyperbole, all the above has happened. That is not normal and has all the hallmarks of an authoritarian regime being put in place. This is not TDS, this is real and is happening right now.

 

[dirty harry]

The thing is, I don't think Trump was particularly clever in his attacks on Biden. He was crude and hypocritical. It only appears clever because, for reasons I still can't comprehend, many seem to hold him to a wholly different standard to how they hold others. We often hear about Trump supposedly playing 4D chess but it has the same energy as religious people who explain away disasters or contradictions as "god works in mysterious ways", ie I'm not going to attempt to justify this because I can't, so I'll just assert there is some higher thinking neither of us can comprehend and leave it at that. Trump has never shown at any stage that he is actually intelligent at all. Everyone who has worked with him who speaks freely talks about how he cannot grasp basic concepts, has the attention span of a child and is incapable of following a train of thought to it's conclusion. Trump acts on impulse and leaves it for others to try to find a way to portray it as genius later. Just look at the trade wars, Republicans are trying to claim his flip flopping nearly daily on tariffs is some genius negotiating tactic when it's clear there is no tactic, he just blurts out whatever pops into his head at any moment in time. The emperor has no clothes but nobody on the Republican side has the spine to say it yet.

Trump is just the figurehead of a deeper problem. There is a concerted attempt to establish an autocracy in the USA and the worst part it's in broad daylight, there's nothing subtle about it. Project 2025 is real, it's a published document and it is being enacted right now, even as Republicans dismissed it as fearmongering. It's actually happening and far faster than even those warning about it expected.

All levels of government are being filled with loyalists to Trump, positions that both Republicans and Democrats for a long time respected as being non-partisan and separate to political squabbling. These people are not being installed to do any job except prevent the government from holding Trump to account as he rams through the Project 2025 agenda. They went about earmarking thousands of people who were Trump loyalists to install from day 1 into these positions. The plan was in place to gut these organisations and fill them with loyalists before the election. I don't for one moment think Trump is the mastermind of what's happening. The day to day flip flopping is him but the broader strategic thinking isn't.

At the supreme court, Alito and Thomas have both been very openly caught in corruption scandals that would see judges at any other level of government impeached and disbarred. There is no such mechanism beyond impeachment in the house for the supreme court, and Republicans are flat out refusing to hold them to account. The justices Trump placed there are all extremely young and inexperienced, poor choices as actual top level judges but great choices to ensure Republican control of the supreme court for decades with people who owe everything to Trump.

The House and Senate have forfeit all their oversight powers for the president and supreme court, enabling corruption in both the executive and the presidency. Whilst Democrats can get control of both of these, they won't ever have the numbers to impeach and convict.

The FBI is headed up by a loyalist with a public hit list, the DoJ has a head who says their primary mission is to pursue Trump's agenda, not enforce the law. All independent government watchdogs have been removed from position. The government ethics advisors have been shut down. The government employees in charge of pursuing fraud have been gutted, people involved in investigating Trump's crimes are now being harassed and investigated with no evidence or charges or even suggestions of what crimes they are supposed to have committed. Political loyalist criminals are being pardoned en masse, top military men are being pushed out of position and replaced with people whose first priority is loyalty to Trump.

None of that is hyperbole, all the above has happened. That is not normal and has all the hallmarks of an authoritarian regime being put in place. This is not TDS, this is real and is happening right now.

Look, let's be real, when you start a conversation about a billionaire entrepreneur, tv personality and 2nd time US president and leader of the free world as 'not very smart' it's hard to take the rest seriously.

His first campaign was a stroke of genius, how much he had to do with it I'm unsure, but the utilisation of social media, the black out of Clinton in the mainstream, and the culture game was incredible. He was literally ridiculed by everyone for running, he was mocked during the primaries, and he was given no chance on election day. It was a massive underdog victory that sound ridiculous now.

Trump said 3 things a week that would've sunk anyone else's campaign, people forgot Hillary was running, she was referenced so little in the media. The social media campaign was aggressive and strategically perfect.

I can't give him as much credit 2nd time around, because Biden hiding in a basement was a superb strategy, and they let Trump hang himself with his own rope.

3rd attempt Harris pulled a Clinton, as soon as she was installed she was struggling, then she went high profile and I think the Rogan thing put it over the edge. Trump went sage, it's simple, is your life better under Biden than it was under me. It's a totally unfair comparison, but it worked.

Trump has run multiple companies, the most powerful country in the world, it's just categorically untrue to say he's not smart. He acts the characature, the same way Biden leaned into harmless grandpa, Obama the gentle statesman, Bush the moron and Clinton the young suave new politician.

I won't get into how one sided the rest of it is, it's tiresome when someone fights for their teams lives consistently, and won't acknowledge basic facts like stupid people don't become president of the USA, or billionaire businessmen.

I had an argument the other day with someone claiming Elon Musk was a moron who stumbled into his billions lol, that's a ridiculous statement.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Look, let's be real, when you start a conversation about a billionaire entrepreneur, tv personality and 2nd time US president and leader of the free world as 'not very smart' it's hard to take the rest seriously.

His first campaign was a stroke of genius, how much he had to do with it I'm unsure, but the utilisation of social media, the black out of Clinton in the mainstream, and the culture game was incredible. He was literally ridiculed by everyone for running, he was mocked during the primaries, and he was given no chance on election day. It was a massive underdog victory that sound ridiculous now.

Trump said 3 things a week that would've sunk anyone else's campaign, people forgot Hillary was running, she was referenced so little in the media. The social media campaign was aggressive and strategically perfect.

I can't give him as much credit 2nd time around, because Biden hiding in a basement was a superb strategy, and they let Trump hang himself with his own rope.

3rd attempt Harris pulled a Clinton, as soon as she was installed she was struggling, then she went high profile and I think the Rogan thing put it over the edge. Trump went sage, it's simple, is your life better under Biden than it was under me. It's a totally unfair comparison, but it worked.

Trump has run multiple companies, the most powerful country in the world, it's just categorically untrue to say he's not smart. He acts the characature, the same way Biden leaned into harmless grandpa, Obama the gentle statesman, Bush the moron and Clinton the young suave new politician.

I won't get into how one sided the rest of it is, it's tiresome when someone fights for their teams lives consistently, and won't acknowledge basic facts like stupid people don't become president of the USA, or billionaire businessmen.

I had an argument the other day with someone claiming Elon Musk was a moron who stumbled into his billions lol, that's a ridiculous statement.

Whilst being smart helps with all of those, it is not necessary for any of them. Again, he has frequently shown has has next to no grasp of very basic concepts and those who worked around him in his first term widely panned him as a complete idiot, as have people earlier in his life. Outside real estate, every idea Trump has tried to run with has failed. His father was the real brains and was the primary driver behind the growth of the Trump business empire.

I don't see much genius in that, there was no evidence of any sort of strategy or planning, it was again just Trump acting on impulse and doing what came naturally. His strategy in all 3 elections was the same, go out and just constantly slag off your opponents, call them stupid names and lie constantly. That's not a genius strategy at all.

Trump has run multiple companies into the ground. The money maker for him is the real estate empire and it was his father that set that up. By the time his father died, he inherited 100's of millions from him and his father had been overseeing the real estate that Donald was the figurehead for as his fathers image became tarnished later on. He's not some guy who built up an empire from nothing off his own back and his own idea, he tagged along in an empire his father built and directed that was already worth nearly 250 million by the time he died. Trump could have been a vegetable and still would have been one of the wealthiest men in the USA. Trump is not a caricature, that is him. I mean FFS I have a cousin who was part of the diplomatic team from the UK in Washington during his first term and he is EXACTLY like that in private and behind the scenes too. I'm not going to post the name but attached is an image from their Linkedin of the time in question if you don't believe me.

Do you want to claim high level British diplomats also just have TDS or perhaps accept there is truth in the claims and some of us have access to information you don't?

Stupid people definitely do become president of the USA. Reagan was an absolute moron for example.

FFS stop talking about it being "one sided" as a way to get around actually addressing any of the issues. You claim people won't acknowledge basic facts so ok, tell me a single thing I listed at the end of my comment that wasn't true and has not happened. This is the crap I'm on about, the 2 sides are NOT the same, what is going on right now in unprecedented, this isn't something that is simply done every time a new administration comes in. Trump is the one in power, Republicans are calling the shots and you don't want to talk about things that are actually happening because it's "one sided", just what exactly is the other side of all I listed then?