A Political Thread pt. 2

[ChicagoKid]

Eh?

2023, UK GDP per capita, 48,867, a factor of 35x larger than in 1960 (1398)
2023, US GDP per capita, 81695, a factor of 27x larger than 1960 (3000).

If the UK is bad, the US is worse...?

Compare 2008 to now. You know the last big recession to our current year. See how yall look.

 

[Amiga500]

Your statement is incorrect. The US makes up 43% of all arms exports, according to the SIPRI. You have minor players like Thales. They are minnows in an ocean.

Source: https://www.dw.com/en/us-increases-dominance-as-worlds-biggest-arms-exporter/a-71860617
Source: https://www.sipri.org/

Where do you think the majority of those sales go?
Fairly sure its to the countries that tango-man is going very far out of his way to **** off.
Where do you think said countries will not be buying their next big military acquisitions from?

 

[McTallshort]

Compare 2008 to now. You know the last big recession to our current year. See how yall look.

Well we didn't triple our national debt like you did. Increased it yes but not by those proportions

 

[ChicagoKid]

1) That's a flat out lie.

2) So you think Trump is bringing you back to your "isolationist" roots, yet has threatened to annex Canada, Greenland and Panama... Pretty imperialistic that. Your very founding was on walking into others land and taking it.

3) Yet you didn't answer his question on that. I don't think J6 was an insurrection, it WAS one. However, even if you don't think it was an insurrection, it was violence off the back of a lie that the election was stolen. AGAIN you ignore the questions about Trump's criminality and try to hide behind "oh you aren't asking in good faith", why don't you just come out in the open and admit it? You are an election denier, you think J6 and in general violence to overthrow a democratic result is fine and have no problem with Trumps rampant law breaking now and in the past too. Opposing these are not controversial yet this is the one aspect you are digging your heels and in refusing the explain yourself, whilst you are more than happy to do it on literally everything else. You are the one not acting in good faith here.

Let's put it in very plain yes or no questions, although I predict you will avoid giving straight answers to any:
1) Did Joe Biden win the 2020 election legitimately with none of the fraud Trump claimed?
2) Was the J6 attack criminal behaviour based on a lie?
3) Was it right for those involved in J6 to be prosecuted?
4) Was Trump wrong to make excuses for J6 and to pardon them en masse?
5) Was Trump breaking the law when he kept hold of some of the most highly classified information after leaving office?
6) Did Trump then illegally resist attempts to get that information back and lie about it?
7) Did Trump use his position to blackmail Ukraine to get dirt on Biden?
8) Is it ok that Trump has fired agency watchdogs when the president doesn't have the authority to do so?
9) Is it ok that Trump is attempting to replace 1000's of non-partisan government employees solely with yes men?
10) Is it ok that Trump has repeatedly interfered with the FBI including firing the directors when the don't do his partisan bidding?
11) Is it ok for Trump to appoint someone who has openly called for political prosecutions and who has a hit list openly published to replace the head of the FBI he illegally forced out of their position?

It's quite clear your understanding of the US, our government, and our citizenry is lacking. Whatever and however you are consuming content related to the US is fundamentally broken and I would strongly advise you to either a.) stop or b.) find a new approach.

You will respond with another fiery message and it won't get you any closer to understanding this country or how we think.

Where do you think the majority of those sales go?
Fairly sure its to the countries that tango-man is going very far out of his way to **** off.
Where do you think said countries will not be buying their next big military acquisitions from?

Israel and Turkey are major buyers. They aren't going anywhere. If anything, Israel will likely be buying significantly more in the years ahead. I can assure you we will sell as much military equipment as we like. And if there less demand, great! We need to lower our national debt and the DOD is a major expense.

Well we didn't triple our national debt like you did. Increased it yes but not by those proportions

Whataboutism is an ineffective rhetorical trick.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Why do you think we are overhauling H1B?

Not to get rid of Irish pharma workers anyway...

This is getting boring in any case. If worst case scenario happens and America pull out the majority of their investment in Ireland (which is certainly not something Trump or Vance were suggesting yesterday in a meeting that went well for anyone not on extreme ends of the spectrum), we'll adapt.

We were a poverty striken country in the 80s and have grown massively in 40 years, the driver of that was not American pharma. American pharma coming was a result of good government policies and increased focus on turning a population mostly working in primary industry into a predominantly educated population with skills to work in tertiary industries.

We're a small country that benefits from globalism so I can see why you'd think we'd be particularly sore to American isolationism. In my line of work we have Asian, Australian and Middle Eastern Clients who limit their exposure in Ireland as they see it as a saturated market. If America moves out, they'd soon move in. There'd be a transition period with unemployment but we'd adapt and get through it.

 

[Amiga500]

Compare 2008 to now. You know the last big recession to our current year. See how yall look.

Our problem was that we had a Tory government from 2010 till essentially now. Youse had Obama.

Trump's growth from 2017-2020 was only 6% compounded.
Bidens from 2021-2024 was 27%.

We'll have to see how you fair under Trump II.

 

[Yulia]

Let's put it in very plain yes or no questions, although I predict you will avoid giving straight answers to any:
1) Did Joe Biden win the 2020 election legitimately with none of the fraud Trump claimed?
2) Was the J6 attack criminal behaviour based on a lie?
3) Was it right for those involved in J6 to be prosecuted?
4) Was Trump wrong to make excuses for J6 and to pardon them en masse?
5) Was Trump breaking the law when he kept hold of some of the most highly classified information after leaving office?
6) Did Trump then illegally resist attempts to get that information back and lie about it?
7) Did Trump use his position to blackmail Ukraine to get dirt on Biden?
8) Is it ok that Trump has fired agency watchdogs when the president doesn't have the authority to do so?
9) Is it ok that Trump is attempting to replace 1000's of non-partisan government employees solely with yes men?
10) Is it ok that Trump has repeatedly interfered with the FBI including firing the directors when the don't do his partisan bidding?
11) Is it ok for Trump to appoint someone who has openly called for political prosecutions and who has a hit list openly published to replace the head of the FBI he illegally forced out of their position?

 

[Amiga500]

Israel and Turkey are major buyers. They aren't going anywhere. If anything, Israel will likely be buying significantly more in the years ahead. I can assure you we will sell as much military equipment as we like. And if there less demand, great! We need to lower our national debt and the DOD is a major expense.

Are you for real?!?

Do you think the Turks are going to be looking at this and thinking - "I'd trust any American equipment we have to continue to work perfectly if the IAF decided they had to perform a few air strikes on Turkish territory"?

Furthermore, its already been pointed out to you Israel buy American equipment with American money. Your giving it away for free and boasting about it... and they still go and rework everything as they don't trust the US either!

 

[McTallshort]

It's quite clear your understanding of the US, our government, and our citizenry is lacking. Whatever and however you are consuming content related to the US is fundamentally broken and I would strongly advise you to either a.) stop or b.) find a new approach.

You will respond with another fiery message and it won't get you any closer to understanding this country or how we think.


Israel and Turkey are major buyers. They aren't going anywhere. If anything, Israel will likely be buying significantly more in the years ahead. I can assure you we will sell as much military equipment as we like. And if there less demand, great! We need to lower our national debt and the DOD is a major expense.

Whataboutism is an ineffective rhetorical trick.

It's not whataboutism. Since 2008 your debt has gone from 10T to 36T. The reason your economy did "better" after the 2008 crash (which you caused) was because you borrowed your way out of it at a much higher rate to GDP than anyone else with much of the debt being owed to china. You have been living on smoke and mirrors for 17 years.

 

[McTallshort]

Are you for real?!?

Do you think the Turks are going to be looking at this and thinking - "I'd trust any American equipment we have to continue to work perfectly if the IAF decided they had to perform a few air strikes on Turkish territory"?

Furthermore, its already been pointed out to you Israel buy American equipment with American money. Your giving it away for free and boasting about it... and they still go and rework everything as they don't trust the US either!

Indeed it blocked arms sales to Turkey in 2020 and 2022 which resulted in Turkey developing it's own drones.

 

[ChicagoKid]

It's not whataboutism. Since 2008 your debt has gone from 10T to 36T. The reason your economy did "better" after the 2008 crash (which you caused) was because you borrowed your way out of it at a much higher rate to GDP than anyone else with much of the debt being owed to china. You have been living on smoke and mirrors for 17 years.

So, according to you, the UK needs to grow by 1.) Increase its Debt/GDP ratio 2.) ???

I guess Keir is trying austerity again to see if it works as well under Labour as it did for the Torys.

Our problem was that we had a Tory government from 2010 till essentially now. Youse had Obama.

Trump's growth from 2017-2020 was only 6% compounded.
Bidens from 2021-2024 was 27%.

We'll have to see how you fair under Trump II.

Goodness. They don't teach economics over in Europe I see. Of all the posts I've read on this site, this was by far the most misinformed and misguided.

 

[AlRums]

Yea the war has been a major victory...for the cartels.

I'd bet good $$ we see American special forces deployed to Mexico in the next 1-5 years to attempt to destroy the major leaders and operations.

The death & destruction from drugs is overwhelming our system.

You mean an act of war

 

[ChicagoKid]

You mean an act of war

It will be in coordination with Mexico.

 

[ncurd]

We're part of NATO and our main selling factor is that we're the principal partner and interoperability is important.

Let's **** everyone off in NATO and sell to everyone else. They'll want to buy off us instead sunlit uplands and unicorns.

I've seen this type of strategy before it was called Brexit.

If people other countries wanted buy off then Americans they already would be. There aren't greater sales out there from other countries from the ones you won't get.

 

[ChicagoKid]

To be honest, I cannot believe how left wing this board is. Left-leaning sure. Centrist definitely. Trump bashing. Guaranteed.

But geez, I feel like I'm in Berkeley California at a drum circle right now.

 

[ChicagoKid]

We're part of NATO and our main selling factor is that we're the principal partner and interoperability is important.

Let's **** everyone off in NATO and sell to everyone else. They'll want to buy off us instead sunlit uplands and unicorns.

I've seen this type of strategy before it was called Brexit.

If people other countries wanted buy off then Americans they already would be. There aren't greater sales out there from other countries from the ones you won't get.

I thought you placed me on ignore?

 

[Which Tyler]

Wow, so done is actually surprised that the free world is generally to the left of America

 

[Amiga500]

Goodness. They don't teach economics over in Europe I see. Of all the posts I've read on this site, this was by far the most misinformed and misguided.

That's quoting off the same graphs you (?) put up.

Maybe basic division is a step too far for American schools these days.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It's quite clear your understanding of the US, our government, and our citizenry is lacking. Whatever and however you are consuming content related to the US is fundamentally broken and I would strongly advise you to either a.) stop or b.) find a new approach.

For **** sake man, we are talking about you simply admitting that criminal behaviour is wrong and you can't even do that. What is wrong with you? You happily talk about everything else but the second it turned to Trump's criminal behaviour you are suddenly like "oh I don't want to talk about this" and find every excuse under the sun.

 

[Amiga500]

To be honest, I cannot believe how left wing this board is. Left-leaning sure. Centrist definitely. Trump bashing. Guaranteed.

But geez, I feel like I'm in Berkeley California at a drum circle right now.

Its not.

From a European perspective, most (not all) democrat policies would be considered centre-right. They have a few fringe policies that'd be more mid-left.
But you folks consider the Dem's to be hard left.

Two very different points on the absolute scale of left-to-right of where the political centre is deemed to be.